RW Matvei Michkov - HC Sochi, KHL (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[Caser]

I'm thinking of the hypothesis that SKA is trying to force Philadelphia into a contract buyout which would save a lot of money in 2024.

It's not like it can save a lot of money for SKA, as Michkov is far from the top earning guys there.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This kids timing and feel for the game are just off the charts.

 

[Fantomas]

Can't watch today but reading he has 9 shots on goal.

 

[Mr Kot]

This kids timing and feel for the game are just off the charts.

Yes, I think people teams above philly except for chicago are going to regret not taking the guy.

 

[Caser]

Looks like Sochi games are officially and legally streamed by the regional tv channel Sochi 24, it is free and apparently not geoblocked too, the link to the channel stream is here (apparently the link is rather permanent too): Прямой эфир телеканала "Сочи 24 HD"

 

[FlyguyOX]

He makes the O-zone look like a damn 3v3 all star comp in terms of ease cycling the puck and creating chances.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Nikolaev scores on a breakaway and gets the goaltender to open up his pads and slips between the wickets 4-1 Sochi with over 11 minutes to play

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Taylor Beck-ov scores to make it 4-2

Novosibirsk pulls the netminder with over 3 minutes left

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Officials are looking over a missed call that could have Sochi on PK

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Michkov just missed on a open chance with a defender on him...He's going to score plenty... I know he will...he has endeared himself with his unselfish play from what I saw tonight

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It's not like it can save a lot of money for SKA, as Michkov is far from the top earning guys there.

You did not understand. To buy out Michkov's contract, Philadelphia would have to pay a significant transfer sum to SKA like in Soccer.

 

[Caser]

You did not understand. To buy out Michkov's contract, Philadelphia would have to pay a significant transfer sum to SKA and Soccer.

SKA is owned by Gazprom, "significant" for them would be much more than the Flyers owners would be willing to pay.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

SKA is owned by Gazprom, "significant" for them would be much more than the Flyers owners would be willing to pay.

?!?

Gazprom is the owner of the club but the club operates on a limited budget of $9 million.

Obtaining a transfer fee of several million dollars would be an excellent financial transaction for the club.

 

[ItWasJustified]

SKA is owned by Gazprom, "significant" for them would be much more than the Flyers owners would be willing to pay.

I doubt that. If two SHL clubs could buy out two players (Lennström and Zaar) from their contracts, Flyers could definitely do it.

 

[Caser]

?!?

Gazprom is the owner of the club but the club operates on a limited budget of $9 million.

Obtaining a transfer fee of several million dollars would be an excellent financial transaction for the club.

What do you mean by the "limited budget"? As far as I noticed the only limitation for SKA spending money is the salary cap (and they still able to find ways to get around it).

I doubt that. If two SHL clubs could buy out two players (Lennström and Zaar) from their contracts, Flyers could definitely do it.

They didn't buy them out from the Russian state megacorporations like Gazprom, Rosneft etc., but from the Torpedo team, who just have let Kovalenko sign with the Avs a year early for free.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

What do you mean by the "limited budget"? As far as I noticed the only limitation for SKA spending money is the salary cap (and they still able to find ways to get around it).


They didn't buy them out from the Russian state megacorporations like Gazprom, Rosneft etc., but from the Torpedo team, who just have let Kovalenko sign with the Avs a year early for free.

A club operates on a limited budget.

Gazprom has had cycling teams that operated on a limited budget.

If the club can make several million from the transfer of Michkov, they do it.

Gazprom is only a shareholder. The club must be able to generate its revenues on its own.

The money from Michkov's transfer will only be very partially redistributed to Gazprom.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Nah, NHL is still faster for sure, but moving to small rinks has obviously hastened the game in the KHL.

Like to see the day when a NHL Stanley Cup Champion plays the KHL Champion for "World Trophy" or Cup

The NHL could be better Sports and shake-hands at games end which is common in Russia

 

[ItWasJustified]

They didn't buy them out from the Russian state megacorporations like Gazprom, Rosneft etc., but from the Torpedo team, who just have let Kovalenko sign with the Avs a year early for free.

Torpedo is still owned GAZ Group, who in turn are partly owned by the Russian government. It's not like they are a small fish in this context.

 

[Caser]

A club operates on a limited budget.

Gazprom has had cycling teams that operated on a limited budget.

If the club can make several million from the transfer of Michkov, they do it.

Gazprom is only a shareholder. The club must be able to generate its revenues on its own.

The money from Michkov's transfer will only be very partially redistributed to Gazprom.

Technically SKA like any team indeed operates on a limited budget, but if for whatever reason they will want to increase it like as many times as they'll want they will get the money. No idea how the cycling team worked, but I suspect their manager's last name was not Rotenberg. Gazprom is at least the majority shareholder if not the full owner, as I never heard about any other shareholders there. And as for the revenues, in the KHL it is good to get some, but it is considered as a very secondary source of money.

Torpedo is still owned GAZ Group, who in turn are partly owned by the Russian government. It's not like they are a small fish in this context.

Torpedo is mostly owned by the region's administration, GAZ is the minority owner/main sponsor and yes, they actually are a small fish in the hockey world, since Torpedo is always around the salary floor.

 

[majormajor]

I've always wondered why more players don't do the lob pass over the net.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I've always wondered why more players don't do the lob pass over the net.

Same reason you don't do no look passes in the slot when not off the rush, it's going the other way if you miss and coach is pulling his hair

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Technically SKA like any team indeed operates on a limited budget, but if for whatever reason they will want to increase it like as many times as they'll want they will get the money. No idea how the cycling team worked, but I suspect their manager's last name was not Rotenberg. Gazprom is at least the majority shareholder if not the full owner, as I never heard about any other shareholders there. And as for the revenues, in the KHL it is good to get some, but it is considered as a very secondary source of money.


Torpedo is mostly owned by the region's administration, GAZ is the minority owner/main sponsor and yes, they actually are a small fish in the hockey world, since Torpedo is always around the salary floor.

Money a very secondary source?

The principle of a club is to generate its own profits. The shareholder is only there to support - in the worst situations - to infuse.

Money isn't flowing freely in the KHL and if SKA can get $5 million for Michkov's buyout, that's an exceptional income for the club.

Same thing for Zenith in Football or Spartak in Basketball. If they can get transfer fees rather than letting free players go, they will prefer the fees. What interest does the SKA have in keeping Michkov until 2026 and letting him go for free rather than getting a transfer ?

Michkov has the level to play with the top 6 of SKA. If it is put aside, it is clearly not a question of level.

 

[Zine]

Money a very secondary source?

The principle of a club is to generate its own profits. The shareholder is only there to support - in the worst situations - to infuse.

Money isn't flowing freely in the KHL and if SKA can get $5 million for Michkov's buyout, that's an exceptional income for the club.

Same thing for Zenith in Football or Spartak in Basketball. If they can get transfer fees rather than letting free players go, they will prefer the fees. What interest does the SKA have in keeping Michkov until 2026 and letting him go for free rather than getting a transfer ?

Michkov has the level to play with the top 6 of SKA. If it is put aside, it is clearly not a question of level.

AFAIK Bettman does NOT want teams individually negotiating with the KHL.
The KHL has been advocating for this style of football/soccer transfer policy since the beginning. The NHL not so much as far as I know.

You'd think it would create an unfair competitive advantage for financial upper-tier owners, in addition to giving the KHL bargaining power.

 

[Caser]

Money a very secondary source?

The principle of a club is to generate its own profits. The shareholder is only there to support - in the worst situations - to infuse.

Money isn't flowing freely in the KHL and if SKA can get $5 million for Michkov's buyout, that's an exceptional income for the club.

Same thing for Zenith in Football or Spartak in Basketball. If they can get transfer fees rather than letting free players go, they will prefer the fees. What interest does the SKA have in keeping Michkov until 2026 and letting him go for free rather than getting a transfer ?

Michkov has the level to play with the top 6 of SKA. If it is put aside, it is clearly not a question of level.

Unfortunately KHL teams can't generate profits without the sponsorship fees, so it hasn't been the goal initially.

About the hypothetical 5m fee, you know, if there would be an established market like it is in football and 5m would be a fair market price for that type of player I think they actually would agree, but the issue is that there is no market. Therefore doing so will likely be used by their opponents in terms of influence on Russian hockey (most notably CSKA), as suddenly the articles will appear in some medias that "SKA is selling the future of Russian hockey to USA for peanuts" and influence is worth more than that.

Not to mention the possible sanctions that might be in place by the USA against the Gazprom structures, although I'm not totally sure about those.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Unfortunately KHL teams can't generate profits without the sponsorship fees, so it hasn't been the goal initially.

About the hypothetical 5m fee, you know, if there would be an established market like it is in football and 5m would be a fair market price for that type of player I think they actually would agree, but the issue is that there is no market. Therefore doing so will likely be used by their opponents in terms of influence on Russian hockey (most notably CSKA), as suddenly the articles will appear in some medias that "SKA is selling the future of Russian hockey to USA for peanuts" and influence is worth more than that.

Not to mention the possible sanctions that might be in place by the USA against the Gazprom structures, although I'm not totally sure about those.

I don't understand this idea that what works for all sports in Europe doesn't work for hockey. If Philadelphia gives several million dollars to the SKA for Michkov, the SKA cashes in, that's it.

I'm not going to look for a false geopolitical or economic theory. Several million dollars for a European hockey club is a big financial transaction.

No one in Russia would blame SKA for selling Michkov. Everyone knows in Russia that Michkov's destiny is to play in the NHL.