Player Discussion Marner Talk - Fresh, insightful comments are welcome

[Kazparov]

Leafs could also take on an LTIR contract coming back a la Nathon Horton. Would likely need to have some cap hit coming back for another team to absorb Mitch 's AAV

 

[Racer88]

Sometime your organization hits a wall and changes need to be made. Just because you draft in 2014, 15, 16 doesn’t mean that’s it. Sorry pal, you have to win with this. You have to analyze what it looks like with a good sample size. We’ve over analyzed at this point.

Shanahan should understand this. The Wings had to do it. 30 goal scorer Shepard out for Larionov, Primeau and Coffey out for Shanny, harder to play against with guys like Rouse, McCarty, Draper, etc. You have to evolve.

While we have been analyzing for 5,6,7,8 times, other teams have gone away and come back further than us.

Yup, while Leafs management has been paralyzed with fear others have gotten better or made changes and stayed better

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

The Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi line single-handedly won game 2 for the Leafs...and then Matthews missed almost 2 and a half games due to illness/injury...wasn't 100% in game 7, yet still assisted Willy for the first goal in game 7...Willy also won game 6 for the Leafs after missing a few games from the start due to illness...meanwhile in game 7, Swayman gifted Marner the puck for a goal, but instead of tucking it shortside for a goal, Marner decides to take the long route around the back of net missing the opportunity entirely...all because he was afraid to take a hit...this is game 7, and that's how Marner still plays...it's embarrassing that he wears an "A" and makes so much money.

Even more embarrassing is the fact he had to negotiate the "A" into his contract...

 

[MCR74]

Even more embarrassing is the fact he had to negotiate the "A" into his contract...

l can't wait until he gives it back.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He needs to be gone before July 1st so we know who we can resign. Most in the media think he will waive once he realizes he is no longer wanted.

I was thinking about both MM and JT and the waiving of the NMC they have. I speculate that if one waives...they both waive because neither wants to be the guy left here doomed to repeat the last 7yrs. If JT goes and MM stays...and we do the usual 1st rd hustle...people will blame MM and same thing vice versa. Hopefully they both waive and we win and everybody just speculates that it was just the cap room of $22M that did the trick.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

No one likes Ferris .. man of few friends .. but he did excellent for Mitch

He may have done well for Mitch financially speaking...but he also torched Taylor Hall by the same greedy method. Hall is now playing on a bottom feeding Chicago team because of the galaxy brain shit that Ferris told him to do contract wise.

 

[Trapper]

l can't wait until he gives it back.

That would be a problem with the team. It’s not his to give back.

 

[MCR74]

That would be a problem with the team. It’s not his to give back.

True, but you know what l mean. Marner doesn't deserve a letter on his chest.

 

[Nylanderthal]

He needs to be gone before July 1st so we know who we can resign. Most in the media think he will waive once he realizes he is no longer wanted.

If they wait til after or on July 1 to execute the deal then they can pay his final signing bonus and probably increase his value especially if you want to mix in a third or fourth team to retain on the contract and maximize value

Yup, while Leafs management has been paralyzed with fear others have gotten better or made changes and stayed better

Paralysis from analysis or as my old
man used to say and this is the PG version safe for here “stinking from thinking” and the whole organization currently stinks

 

[therealkoho]

San Jose 15th OA - 24 2nd round - 25 vegas 1st - 25 SJ 2nd Justin Bailey Kasper Haltunen

Just a thought

 

[HamiltonNHL]

No one likes Ferris .. man of few friends .. but he did excellent for Mitch

He didn’t really.

He pressured a newbie GM to sign a deal his player couldn’t live up to.

Ferris better know that Mitch can’t mentally handle pressure. The pressure if Marner is still on the roster will be endless. His client will perform poorly and degrade his long term value. Everyone knows it’s time to move on.

 

[Tarmore]

If he decides to stay then there is nothing Leafs can do but let him sit at home which likely helps out no one .. we lose some regular season points and he loses his game .. so it becomes bad for everyone .. hopefully he will agree to a trade so we can get assets which will help team in playoff hockey .. my point was teams already in playoffs will not have any interest in him due to his CAP hit and his lack of ability to play playoff hockey .. so really you are talking about a select group of teams like a Philli or Seattle who he would help make playoffs .. those teams will see value .. so will teams at bottom but Mitch likely won't want to go to a cellar dweller .. it won't be easy to get something done

LOL, NO. If he stays he plays.

Up until a few months ago, I would have agreed with this. But, after what I saw in the playoffs this year, I became convinced that not even a coaching change will make a difference with this core. It’s time to move on from at least 1 of them

I have seen some remarkable changes in players when a new coach comes to town over the years. Some for the better some for the worse. I would roll the dice. You would not I can see that point of view too.

 

[Tarmore]

Marner did "flourish" during the regular season. You think Keefe had some bizarre coaching methods that enabled Marner to flourish during the regular season but held him back in the playoffs? Careful you don't strain yourself doing all this intense stretching.

Hoping is not stretching.

I didn't feel he grew his game this regular season. With the injury he never seemed to really get back on track after that.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I didn't feel he grew his game this regular season. With the injury he never seemed to really get back on track after that.

His game will NEVER work on the current roster in the playoffs. Ever. He could make another team better - BUT NOT the LEAFS.

He has no future here.

Face facts.

Change is needed. Marner is gone. Time to negotiate. Ferris could destroy his mentally weak client if this drags on into October. The kid can’t handle the pressure.

There is no retool without trading Marner. It has to happen.

 

[sunstersun]

Why do people think Marner will get better in the postseason? He is slow, weak and can't shoot.

Those seem like 3 pretty critical skills to me.

 

[LeafSteel]

Why do people think Marner will get better in the postseason? He is slow, weak and can't shoot.

Those seem like 3 pretty critical skills to me.

He also lack IQ and resilience needed for playoff hockey.

Marner is insanely skilled but his biggest deficiency is between his ears and it will always limit what he can actually become.

We need a much smarter and rounded player from a $12m player than we have in Marner.

 

[Tak7]

If our 47 million dollar core of elite goal scorers could get more than one goal it wouldn't matter. Instead you blame it on a 3 million dollar goalie who allowed ONE GOAL in regulation time in game 7.

Your schtick is a failure.

I'm not absolving the core of the blame - but there's plenty of blame to go around. The types of goals that I mentioned, were also goals that Swayman just wasn't giving up in the series. That makes a huge difference in such a tight series. It's also why Samsonov won't be getting re-upped here.

 

[ashs]

Hard to teach humility to kids these days

 

[MCR74]

His game will NEVER work on the current roster in the playoffs. Ever. He could make another team better - BUT NOT the LEAFS.

He has no future here.

Face facts.

Change is needed. Marner is gone. Time to negotiate. Ferris could destroy his mentally weak client if this drags on into October. The kid can’t handle the pressure.

There is no retool without trading Marner. It has to happen.

Shipping him out might also send a message to the rest of the team.

 

[Byron Bitz]

I wonder if Marner would waive for New Jersey. I’d do a deal centered around Marner for John Marino and the 10th overall pick

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I wonder if Marner would waive for New Jersey. I’d do a deal centered around Marner for John Marino and the 10th overall pick

We don’t need picks


Love the idea of a new RD.

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Keefe + Marner to NJ ?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

We don’t need picks

We are definitely now in "Win before Matthews gets old" mode.

 

[Byron Bitz]

We don’t need picks

Yes we do, especially top 10 picks, that could get you someone like a Dman like Sam Dickinson who’s not far off from NHL ready. This team needs to find some high end young talent to extend the window of contention.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

who’s not far off from NHL ready.

We have no time.

Our window is waning.

It has proven a failure this far. It’s probably not fixable. But for sure we aren’t in nurture young D mode

 

[HamiltonNHL]

If Shanahan isn't fired on Thursday, then Mitch is coming back.

Still think so ?

Scare me.