Post-Game Talk: Skinner just had his Grant Fuhr moment

[Tobias Kahun]

Only could a kings fan think Anderson didn’t injure draisaitl 2 years ago because Draisaitl put up 32 points in 16 games.

 

[Frank the Tank]

they are calling out plays on the PP before they even happen, almost football style. they slide 29 over to his 1time spot, knowing rittich was going to fly over to stop the 1T and he kicked it straight to bouchard who shot far side of the net. only way that isnt going in is if he misses the net.

The Oilers top unit after letting teams watch all their regular season PP footage.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

What a find this guy was

 

[syz]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

Yup, he got lit up last year. Hope he can keep it up.

 

[guymez]

What a find this guy was

Yup.
The only downside is that now the Oilers are going to have to pay to keep him.

 

[McFlyingV]

they are calling out plays on the PP before they even happen, almost football style. they slide 29 over to his 1time spot, knowing rittich was going to fly over to stop the 1T and he kicked it straight to bouchard who shot far side of the net. only way that isnt going in is if he misses the net.

It was a well designed play, but Bouchard still had to make a perfect shot which he did just inside the post. The movement definitely made that hard on Rittich though, who had to move right to left, left to right, and get set for a 95mph shot coming his way. Rittich having to set himself there is actually what makes him pushing to his right hard because he has much of his weight on his right foot to stop and set when coming left to right, and he needs that weight on his left foot to make a strong push. Its why he's a half second behind sliding to his right.

The most impressive aspect of the Oilers PP is the movement. If you're a stationary PP like a lot that I see in the league the goalie is going to stop the shot unless it's tipped or he can't see it. When a goalie has to move as much as they do against the Oilers PP not only does it give the goalie unsteady footing when the shot finally comes, but it also opens up a lot of holes under the arms and between the legs, while also forcing a lot more reactionary saves over positional saves. The Oilers PP has so much constant movement because not only does McDavid go for skates around the zone, but they have 4 guys who can whip cross seam passes with ease and they're constantly rotating positions. It's truly beautiful to watch from a hockey tactics point of view.

 

[MoontoScott]

Jack Campbell is recalled ?

I'm amazed that anybody in Edmonton remembered his number.

 

[McFlyingV]

What a find this guy was

I remember a lot of positive talk about him in his final year of college and then even his first couple years in Bakersfield. A lot of high praise on him being a late bloomer who has serious NHL potential as an excellent shut down D. We're starting to see that with his improved reads and skating this season. He's not getting burned off the rush like he did last season.

 

[bucks_oil]

It was a well designed play, but Bouchard still had to make a perfect shot which he did just inside the post. The movement definitely made that hard on Rittich though, who had to move right to left, left to right, and get set for a 95mph shot coming his way. Rittich having to set himself there is actually what makes him pushing to his right hard because he has much of his weight on his right foot to stop and set when coming left to right, and he needs that weight on his left foot to make a strong push. Its why he's a half second behind sliding to his right.

The most impressive aspect of the Oilers PP is the movement. If you're a stationary PP like a lot that I see in the league the goalie is going to stop the shot unless it's tipped or he can't see it. When a goalie has to move as much as they do against the Oilers PP not only does it give the goalie unsteady footing when the shot finally comes, but it also opens up a lot of holes under the arms and between the legs, while also forcing a lot more reactionary saves over positional saves. The Oilers PP has so much constant movement because not only does McDavid go for skates around the zone, but they have 4 guys who can whip cross seam passes with ease and they're constantly rotating positions. It's truly beautiful to watch from a hockey tactics point of view.

So true... I've been watching a few of the Bruins/Leafs games and the difference between our power play and others is sometimes night and day...

Just when you see us snapping the puck around and receiving every pass cleanly... and you are about to credit that passing and receiving as THE big advantage, McDavid will pull a play like last night, completely moving the top PK-er out of position snap it across the ice from where he came and bammo... Bouchard has a wide open lane for that shot.

And you are so right about the unsteady footing of the opposing goalies... we cause that.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Interesting Corsi numbers and interesting comments about Nurse and Ceci last night. Personally I didn't mind their games last night.

I can not remember a single mistake that either made directly leading to a major scoring chance and they never got caught up ice leading to outmanned rushes against.

Yeah, they were the pairing most likely to get hemmed in last night, but it seemed more circumstantial yesterday vs. anything they were specifically doing badly. It would be interesting to get into the details as I suspect a lot of those attempts against came on the few shifts where there was some ill-timed icing plays by other Oilers as it really seemed like a large percentage of LAs work came during those stretches.

Both players dumped up the boards alot. LA was pinching the blueline heavily and alot of clear attempts were getting stopped as a result. Ceci in particular had 4-5 easy clearing chances to make a smart play or pass, but gave it back to LA
None resulted in goals obviously, or really high danger plays. This doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes tho

 

[bucks_oil]

I remember a lot of positive talk about him in his final year of college and then even his first couple years in Bakersfield. A lot of high praise on him being a late bloomer who has serious NHL potential as an excellent shut down D. We're starting to see that with his improved reads and skating this season. He's not getting burned off the rush like he did last season.

Chara without the offense. Huge find. I'm a huge fan.

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

Louie’s a nice guy and probably an Oilers die hard. But he’s obviously got some sort of ref sucking off directive and I don’t like it. I watch Boston or Leaf’s games, and their home town guys will call out bad reffing for their teams. And our guy, excuses bad reffing. I think it has a non zero effect over a large sample, and Louie is putting us behind the ball.

It seems like every other series has homer crews (Cuthbert included) except the Oilers.

 

[LTIR]

Well- all of Ceci’s underlying defensive numbers would tell you he isn’t good and the GM trying to upgrade that position would tell you the same. Nurse has elevated his game though. He is in the bottom 2% of the league for DMen who play his mins and QoC according to his xGar%.

The team played well yesterday so I’m not going to whine. I just thought it odd to say a player is good because a coach uses him. Coach’s have their favourites too despite how good or bad he is…ahem…Archibald

GM wanting to upgrade the top pairing RD position wasn't just due to Ceci. Bouchard and Desharnais were just as much a factor. If we had 'added' a Dman , pretty sure Desharnais would have been the odd one out and not the guy who plays 8-10more mins per game than him.

Also, Archibald aside from that one bad penalty was a cannon ball. An ideal bottom 6 winger who could skate , hit and maybe PK.

I would buy what you are throwing if Ceci is scratched for Stecher next game.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Random thought, but hit counts are so inflated now. Was reading a post on the Kings board about how they have 200 hits in this series while only having 140-some in their 2012 series against the Blues.

I watched a game (must've been game 2 or 3) of Bruins vs. Leafs a few days back and I was laughing when the panel was pointing out how physical Toronto was with their 30 hits in two periods. There were maybe 5 notable 'big' hits, while every other one was just a 'finishing your check' moment. It always has been an ambiguous stat that changed depending on the home arena's stat guy, but it seems the threshold of a hit is lower now.

Damn Trudeau and Biden inflating hits now

 

[LTIR]

Mcdavid is held to a standard than "every other player". He wasn't a negative, but he was neutralized 5 on 5 for the first time in how long? The kings did a great job.

I am saying if this keeps up we are toast. Let's give the Kings some credit

McDavid chose the neutral path for the greater good last game. Instead of trying to score the 2nd goal he just dumped the puck in deep. Maybe watch the last 10mins of the game again. He took plenty of shifts and made the right defensive play each time. McDefense was on the ball and executed perfectly.

 

[Senor Catface]

What a find this guy was

Whichever scout has pushed for defensemen in the 7th round lately needs a raise.

All of Desharnais, Kemp, and Wanner look like good late picks.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Mcdavid is held to a standard than "every other player". He wasn't a negative, but he was neutralized 5 on 5 for the first time in how long? The kings did a great job.

I am saying if this keeps up we are toast. Let's give the Kings some credit

He has 2 5on5 points, surprised this is the first game you’re bringing it up

 

[Pavel10]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

Save this kind of praise until after his extension is signed.

 

[McFlyingV]

McDavid chose the neutral path for the greater good last game. Instead of trying to score the 2nd goal he just dumped the puck in deep. Maybe watch the last 10mins of the game again. He took plenty of shifts and made the right defensive play each time. McDefense was on the ball and executed perfectly.

Yeah the Oilers played a very passive game offensively, which in the past is something this team couldn't do, but this current team when dialled in can play suffocating defence. Helps when you have a lot of speedy forwards with good active sticks and a big, physical, and mobile defence group.

 

[MoontoScott]

I'm happy for Desharnais and the good game he played yesterday but its amazing how fickle fans are.

After game #2 there were a number of people on this thread saying that his skating had been exposed and he should be sat down.

Round #2 (assuming they close the Kings out) will be a tougher test and a better measuring stick for everybody on the roster.

 

[Slats432]

Louie’s a nice guy and probably an Oilers die hard. But he’s obviously got some sort of ref sucking off directive and I don’t like it. I watch Boston or Leaf’s games, and their home town guys will call out bad reffing for their teams. And our guy, excuses bad reffing. I think it has a non zero effect over a large sample, and Louie is putting us behind the ball.

I thought the call against Englund was soft, the Kulak penalty was just as soft. The interference on McDavid by Doughty was blatant and the pitchfork on Kane by Kempe was a certain missed call.

Everything else? It's playoffs.

And I remember soft chatter on Vinny for a couple years....some media were talking "Keep an eye on this guy." Glad he panned out.

 

[joestevens29]

Whichever scout has pushed for defensemen in the 7th round lately needs a raise.

All of Desharnais, Kemp, and Wanner look like good late picks.

What if it was Chia

 

[VainGretzky]

Mcdavid is held to a standard than "every other player". He wasn't a negative, but he was neutralized 5 on 5 for the first time in how long? The kings did a great job.

I am saying if this keeps up we are toast. Let's give the Kings some credit

he is pacing 2.5 PPG no need to worry

 

[TheNumber4]

I thought the call against Englund was soft, the Kulak penalty was just as soft. The interference on McDavid by Doughty was blatant and the pitchfork on Kane by Kempe was a certain missed call.

Everything else? It's playoffs.

And I remember soft chatter on Vinny for a couple years....some media were talking "Keep an eye on this guy." Glad he panned out.

England was a soft call. Kulak was a phantom call. Kinda evened up but not really, then I think maybe the kings got away with more dirt then the Oilers.

 

[Senor Catface]

What if it was Chia

Make that man GM!!