2024 Draft Discussion

[The Zetterberg Era]

They also hated Kasper. And weren't they luke warm on Edvinsson and Cossa?

I thought they liked Kasper, they wanted Savoie was what I remember but I think he was pretty popular with all three.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Gritty and competitive doesn't mean unskilled. It means willing to do things that other skill guys aren't.

MBN is a goalscoring winger with very good to great shooting prowess. The wings don't have that in their system and the closest they have to it is Mazur. Maybe Soderblom if he ever pulls his head out of his ass.
He also plays like a modern power forward. The closest the Wings have to that in their system is Kasper who we are confident will be a center.

I think his puck skills are fine. He's not toe dragging junior defensemen like Hage, Catton and others, but he's beating pro level defenders with unspectacular but effective moves. He's bullying grown men as an 18 year old. And he's helping stop opposing teams in transition by providing solid defense and picking pockets in the neutral zone.

I just don't rate his offensive traits as highly. Do we really think that he has a great shot as an NHLer? I just don't really see him as a scoring threat outside of being a pigeon. And then the overall game is something that I think is well represented in our system with Kasper, Danielson and Mazur all profiling as gritty two-way guys.

I have a really hard time imagining MBN having a 30 goal, 50 point season in the NHL. I think you're much more likely to see a 15 goal guy. Does he shoot better than Rasmussen did in 2017? I don't think so. In fact, a smaller, faster, more physical Ras is exactly what I think MBN is. I have a much easier time imagining Eiserman having a 40 goal, 80 point season. Maybe he does the Zadina thing and never translates. Genuinely, I think it's a coin flip whether he's a useful player at all, I really worry about Eiserman's ability to find opportunities to use his shot at the next level... But I see a genuinely elite skill and enough to build around it. With MBN, I see a whole lotta "above average."

 

[DoMakc]

I just don't rate his offensive traits as highly. Do we really think that he has a great shot as an NHLer? I just don't really see him as a scoring threat outside of being a pigeon. And then the overall game is something that I think is well represented in our system with Kasper, Danielson and Mazur all profiling as gritty two-way guys.

I have a really hard time imagining MBN having a 30 goal, 50 point season in the NHL. I think you're much more likely to see a 15 goal guy. Does he shoot better than Rasmussen did in 2017? I don't think so. In fact, a smaller, faster, more physical Ras is exactly what I think MBN is. I have a much easier time imagining Eiserman having a 40 goal, 80 point season. Maybe he does the Zadina thing and never translates. Genuinely, I think it's a coin flip whether he's a useful player at all, I really worry about Eiserman's ability to find opportunities to use his shot at the next level... But I see a genuinely elite skill and enough to build around it. With MBN, I see a whole lotta "above average."

I have no idea about prospects, but i don‘t see any similarities between Rasmussen and MBN with regard to offense

 

[Henkka]

We are having a Mock draft on Finnish board:

1. San Jose Sharks: Macklin Celebrini (C)
2. Chicago Blackhawks: Ivan Demidov (RW)
3. Anaheim Ducks: Artyom Levshunov (RD)
4. Columbus Blue Jackets: Cayden Lindstrom (C)
5. Montreal Canadiens: Beckett Sennecke (RW)
6. Utah: Anton Silayev (LD)
7. Ottawa Senators: Zayne Parekh (RD)
8. Seattle Kraken: Sam Dickinson (LD)
9. Calgary Flames: Tij Iginla (C)
10. New Jersey Devils: Konsta Helenius (C)
11. Buffalo Sabres: Zeev Buium (LD)
12. Philadelphia Flyers: Berkly Catton (C)
13. Minnesota Wild: Carter Yakemchuk (RD)
14. San Jose Sharks (PIT): Adam Jiricek (RD)
15. Detroit Red Wings: Cole Eiserman (LW)
16. St. Louis Blues:
17. Washington Capitals:
18. New York Islanders:
19. Vegas Golden Knights:
20. Chicago Blackhawks(TBL):
21. Los Angeles Kings:
22. Nashville Predators:
23. Toronto Maple Leafs:

I did complete this pick as a Detroit representative.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I have no idea about prospects, but i don‘t see any similarities between Rasmussen and MBN with regard to offense

Not too much in terms of actual style. Just in terms of actual impact. MBN has a lot more s***-disturber in his game and I imagine that he'll be effective picking up goals on the doorstep the way that Ras really should be.

But MBN's main plus offensive trait is his shot and I really don't think it's any better than Ras's shot was in 2017. They both can pick a corner with velocity, but lack the puck skills to reliably put themselves in a position to beat NHL goalies. I also don't think that he has that modern release which can make someone's shot an elite weapon.

 

[RedWingzz]

I keep checking Mock drafts online, and over 50% of them have us taking MBN...

Someone please convince me, I just see too many similarities to Kasper here, and it seems like he is another "high-motor, high-energy" player, but I'm not sure on the overall skill.

Every write-up I read has me convinced that he is such an Yzerman type of player, but I'm just not convinced on the overall potetial. Do we really think he's a top 6 Winger??

I'm still personally hoping Eiserman falls to 15 and we grab him....

 

[schuelma24]

I keep checking Mock drafts online, and over 50% of them have us taking MBN...

Someone please convince me, I just see too many similarities to Kasper here, and it seems like he is another "high-motor, high-energy" player, but I'm not sure on the overall skill.

Every write-up I read has me convinced that he is such an Yzerman type of player, but I'm just not convinced on the overall potetial. Do we really think he's a top 6 Winger??

I'm still personally hoping Eiserman falls to 15 and we grab him....

I share those concerns - I'd say his playoff production and from all accounts strong shot is what makes me optimistic he could provide offense?

 

[SantosHalper]

Does he shoot better than Rasmussen did in 2017?

Ras wishes he had a shot like this


Everywhere MBN has played, coaches has used him as triggerman. At this age his shot is way better than many seasoned veterans have. And that is just one of his tools, his forechecking was causing lot trouble for the opposite team. In mens tournament, Ras at this age would have been Bambi on ice. Physicality, two-way game, MBN is doing all the right things on ice. All the little things, that helps the team to win games. And what a clutch player he is, in playoffs 10 points in 12 games. Yesterday in loser relegates match against UK, Norway wins 5-2, MBN 1+2.

And here many say we need Buchenevic/Toffoli-types, well here's one and it doesn't cost us 3 different assets to get him. Those types doesn't grow on trees, i'd rather have more of those in the system. People worry about offensive upside, we are picking at 15, you don't get higher upside at 15 what MBN has.

 

[Frk It]

LOL, sure if you wanna consider 8 goals in HockeyAllsvenskan as something spectacular. It's as much of a pro league as the ECHL, look team leader Chad Yetman's stats in both leagues.

I like his size, but that's about it.

Filip Forsberg also scored 8 goals in the Allsvenskan in his draft year. Production is not an issue with MBN. Just not as sure what to make of his overall skill set as others.

Ras wishes he had a shot like this


Everywhere MBN has played, coaches has used him as triggerman. At this age his shot is way better than many seasoned veterans have. And that is just one of his tools, his forechecking was causing lot trouble for the opposite team. In mens tournament, Ras at this age would have been Bambi on ice. Physicality, two-way game, MBN is doing all the right things on ice. All the little things, that helps the team to win games. And what a clutch player he is, in playoffs 10 points in 12 games. Yesterday in loser relegates match against UK, Norway wins 5-2, MBN 1+2.

And here many say we need Buchenevic/Toffoli-types, well here's one and it doesn't cost us 3 different assets to get him. Those types doesn't grow on trees, i'd rather have more of those in the system. People worry about offensive upside, we are picking at 15, you don't get higher upside at 15 what MBN has.

Not sure he will ever have the puck skills of a Buchenvich (maybe he will), but I get your point here, and I think these are some very fair points you make.

If we pick MBN, I will try to convince myself he could take off after the draft like we saw with Peterka. I think he plays a pretty similar game. I really like the trajectory of MBN's draft year with how he played in the playoffs and then also at Worlds. I think you can see a ton of growth in his game over the last 6-12-18 months and we have had pretty good luck with players like that.

They might feel he is a similar situation to Seider in this regard.

 

[schuelma24]

LOL, sure if you wanna consider 8 goals in HockeyAllsvenskan as something spectacular. It's as much of a pro league as the ECHL, look team leader Chad Yetman's stats in both leagues.

I like his size, but that's about it.

I'll concede this isn't an amazing point, since I'm not personally a big fan of him, but MBN had better production in the Allsvenskan than Dvorsky.

 

[lilidk]

I keep checking Mock drafts online, and over 50% of them have us taking MBN...

Someone please convince me, I just see too many similarities to Kasper here, and it seems like he is another "high-motor, high-energy" player, but I'm not sure on the overall skill.

Every write-up I read has me convinced that he is such an Yzerman type of player, but I'm just not convinced on the overall potetial. Do we really think he's a top 6 Winger??

I'm still personally hoping Eiserman falls to 15 and we grab him....

What is it so special about Eiserman? What else does he do outside scoring?

 

[HisNoodliness]

Ras wishes he had a shot like this


Everywhere MBN has played, coaches has used him as triggerman. At this age his shot is way better than many seasoned veterans have. And that is just one of his tools, his forechecking was causing lot trouble for the opposite team. In mens tournament, Ras at this age would have been Bambi on ice. Physicality, two-way game, MBN is doing all the right things on ice. All the little things, that helps the team to win games. And what a clutch player he is, in playoffs 10 points in 12 games. Yesterday in loser relegates match against UK, Norway wins 5-2, MBN 1+2.

And here many say we need Buchenevic/Toffoli-types, well here's one and it doesn't cost us 3 different assets to get him. Those types doesn't grow on trees, i'd rather have more of those in the system. People worry about offensive upside, we are picking at 15, you don't get higher upside at 15 what MBN has.

Honestly, if I squint and tilt my head, I can see it this way. My personal take is that when it's all said and done, MBN's overall game is too likely to fall on the wrong side of the scoring line vs checking line threshold. Perhaps I underate him right now. I can't say that I watched him in Allsvenskan at all. Whether by development or reevaluation, I upgrade his shot from very good to elite, and his general offensive game from around Kasper's level to a step above, then I can see a projection for him as that Toffoli type.

I also see the appeal of the team identity that MBN would help us build. If it turned out (big IF), a top 6 with Raymond, Larkin, Kasper, Danielson and MBN would be so tenacious. Can you imagine how frustrating an effective "full-ice press" would be? That could be awesome. Everyone plays protect the blue line, but that's the kind of team makeup that lets you buck the trend.

 

[heyfolks]

For me at 15 there's a few DNDs that I'm bullish on

This ranking is so hard and I fear there's a lot of "phony" forward talents but stacked at D, much like the 2012 and 2018 drafts (oh look, we're at that 6 year mark again). I can't really compile a mock but this is who I want, and would stay away from;

WANT:
• Catton - if he falls that far... You take him, and pray to God the cops aren't after your ass for grand larceny. What's jail time in Nevada for commiting a crime like that?
• Sennecke - I believe his upside is very very high, hope other teams get caught up in "need" and he falls to us. Would be the perfect pick
• Brandsegg-Nygard - really really liking him more and wouldn't complain about this player in our system at all for 15th overall. I think he's got underrated offensive upside
• Greentree - banking on the upside but it's a huge boom that we can gamble with taking
• Luchanko - he's a hard one to pin. Really like him and honestly I think the game comes really easy to him and will begin to surprise lots of people next year
• Hage - I like him, not sure what to make of him at the NHL level but would welcome this kind of gamble

AVOID:
• Eiserman - I simply don't see an intelligent goal scorer for a guy already with pro NHL size but mediocre skating and compete
• Connolly - unsure about how his offense translates honestly
• Parekh - I believe his offense doesn't come around to cover for his defensive woes
• Helenius - only because I see middle 6 potential and I don't want that at 15th. He's still a great pick at 16-20

I enjoy posts that have me looking deeper into a topic.


WANTS:

• Catton - I agree, but that is a pipe dream.
• Sennecke - The Wings may have a shot at him. Both McKenzie and Murphy have him behind Greentree.

AVOIDS:

• Parekh is consistently in the top 10, in a mostly inconsistent overview of the scouting report. With thst in mind, I do not see him slipping to 15.
• Heleniis - He is in the 10-15 slot, but see why you would be cautious here. Some of this upward movement is projecting abilities based on playing with older players. On the flip side, that is also how Brandsegg-Nygard has moved up.
• Connelly - I have to say I am moving away from him. The talent is there at this level, but not sure it translates if only for size and approach to the game.

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[RedWingzz]

Ras wishes he had a shot like this


Everywhere MBN has played, coaches has used him as triggerman. At this age his shot is way better than many seasoned veterans have. And that is just one of his tools, his forechecking was causing lot trouble for the opposite team. In mens tournament, Ras at this age would have been Bambi on ice. Physicality, two-way game, MBN is doing all the right things on ice. All the little things, that helps the team to win games. And what a clutch player he is, in playoffs 10 points in 12 games. Yesterday in loser relegates match against UK, Norway wins 5-2, MBN 1+2.

And here many say we need Buchenevic/Toffoli-types, well here's one and it doesn't cost us 3 different assets to get him. Those types doesn't grow on trees, i'd rather have more of those in the system. People worry about offensive upside, we are picking at 15, you don't get higher upside at 15 what MBN has.

Unless Eiserman is available.....

What is it so special about Eiserman? What else does he do outside scoring?

He scores

You win hockey games by scoring more goals than the other team

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I keep checking Mock drafts online, and over 50% of them have us taking MBN...

Someone please convince me, I just see too many similarities to Kasper here, and it seems like he is another "high-motor, high-energy" player, but I'm not sure on the overall skill.

Every write-up I read has me convinced that he is such an Yzerman type of player, but I'm just not convinced on the overall potetial. Do we really think he's a top 6 Winger??

I'm still personally hoping Eiserman falls to 15 and we grab him....

I honestly don't know how you can knock MBN on skill without doing the same for Eiserman. The kid has extremely ordinary hands for someone that scores a lot. People are inferring from the goal totals that he is some super skilled player. This couldn't be further from the truth. If you don't think MBN has the skill to create his own offense at the NHL level, I don't know why you would expect Eiserman to.

 

[lilidk]

Unless Eiserman is available.....


He scores

You win hockey games by scoring more goals than the other team

And what will happen if he can't score , he must be good at something else.
MBN also good at scoring, but he also power forward and grinder. He also not surrounded by high skilled playmakers
I will be happy if Eiserman will be gone before 15, we will have more options

 

[norrisnick]

I honestly don't know how you can knock MBN on skill without doing the same for Eiserman. The kid has extremely ordinary hands for someone that scores a lot. People are inferring from the goal totals that he is some super skilled player. This couldn't be further from the truth. If you don't think MBN has the skill to create his own offense at the NHL level, I don't know why you would expect Eiserman to.

HOFers have made careers out of "nothing" but a shot.

 

[raymond23]

You guys are selling me so hard on MBN that I doubt he’s even available at 15…

 

[SuperScript29]

You win hockey games by scoring more goals than the other team

If that skill translates and he actually scores goals, then great, but what if he doesn't score? If he can't bring anything else to the table, then we may end up with another Zadina. I'd rather have a player that brings more to the table besides scoring goals, someone like Raymond for example. I know this is a bad example since Raymond was taken at 4th and was higher ranked, but you get the idea.

 

[lilidk]

HOFers have made careers out of "nothing" but a shot.

You guys are selling me so hard on MBN that I doubt he’s even available at 15…

Possible, but I prefer playmaker over scorer, so he's not my first choice

 

[HisNoodliness]

I honestly don't know how you can knock MBN on skill without doing the same for Eiserman. The kid has extremely ordinary hands for someone that scores a lot. People are inferring from the goal totals that he is some super skilled player. This couldn't be further from the truth. If you don't think MBN has the skill to create his own offense at the NHL level, I don't know why you would expect Eiserman to.

I think there is a lot to be desired in Eiserman's game too, but Eiserman's shot is elite. I think I said earlier in the thread that to me, with Eiserman, there's genuinely a 50% chance that you're getting a functionally irrelevant piece. I can see him getting muscled off every puck, stick checked on every shot and never having the intensity to battle through those issues to find the lanes he'll need to score. If he improves on his general skills a little bit, and continues to develop as a shooter, he could be an elite scorer. The only reason someone with his shot may be available at 15 is because of the holes in his game. I don't think Eiserman is more likely to be a good player than MBN. I just think he's way more likely to be a core player.

 

[HisNoodliness]

If that skill translates and he actually scores goals, then great, but what if he doesn't score? If he can't bring anything else to the table, then we may end up with another Zadina. I'd rather have a player that brings more to the table besides scoring goals, someone like Raymond for example. I know this is a bad example since Raymond was taken at 4th and was higher ranked, but you get the idea.

Honestly, I don't think we need more useful players. We need high end skill. I don't care about the floor of whoever we take at 15. If they aren't going to be on our second line at the very least, they can play for Grand Rapids. I have no qualms about missing out on a high floor. I want to take whoever is most likely to fill in the huge hole we have in the lineup for a special player, even if they're not all that likely to reach that ceiling. When you go hunting for Panarins, you end up with a lot of Zadinas. I'm still happy to hunt for Panarins.

 

[Indrid Cold]

This is the year to move up and get that high skill guy everyone here covets, even if you have to overpay. I'd give up a second to move up a few spots and get Catton or Sennecke, maybe even Eiserman. Stevie has the pipeline depth to take that gamble.

 

[lilidk]

This is the year to move up and get that high skill guy everyone here covets, even if you have to overpay. I'd give up a second to move up a few spots and get Catton or Sennecke, maybe even Eiserman. Stevie has the pipeline depth to take that gamble.

I think it's opposite, trade down and get extra early second , so you could get guy like Aho or Kucherov, I don't know anyone in this draft to trade up , lose assets . Pretty much this is special draft with a lot of unknown and nothing great

 

[schuelma24]

This is the year to move up and get that high skill guy everyone here covets, even if you have to overpay. I'd give up a second to move up a few spots and get Catton or Sennecke, maybe even Eiserman. Stevie has the pipeline depth to take that gamble.

Yeah for me it’s Catton or Iginla.