Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 3

[Stelio Kontos]

Please save us @ Isaac Howard @ Dylan Duke..

 

[Byrddog]

Really good coach in the O, relates to young players.

Yeah since we have so many good young players.

 

[Felonious Python]

Coop is in Czechia now for the World Championships, according to Gord Miller on the Canada-Finland broadcast.

 

[Point21]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

 

[Todd1a]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

That owner is the weirdest guy in the league I remember when he wanted his gm to stay there and not have a contract because he didn’t believe in doing contracts with employees

 

[LightningStrikes]

That owner is the weirdest guy in the league I remember when he wanted his gm to stay there and not have a contract because he didn’t believe in doing contracts with employees

“Trust me we’ll work something out.” lol

 

[OurlordAndSaviorKuch]

Weekes just announced that Rod the Bod signed an extension with Carolina

Keep bringing someone back that can’t get you over the hump is a strange decision.

 

[DFC]

Yeah, I really think Rod's brand of possession hockey has been solved by the better defensive coaches.

 

[These Are The Days]

Yeah, I really think Rod's brand of possession hockey has been solved by the better defensive coaches.

Maybe a little bit but Rod's failure isn't coming down to his scheme. The Canes don't have a whole lot of high end talent minus Aho. Rod's issue is the fact he's peddling a team on par with any of those 2010's NYR teams. More or less it is a bunch of dudes who can bleed, grind and score 20. But he doesn't have a Lundqvist to go God mode and steal a bunch of games the team has no business winning. Once Freddy let that squeaker go by the game was over. "Henrik would never" so to speak.

More recently I know the Avs and especially the VGK have said "What goaltending?" since Fleury left. But the VGK also field some ridiculous $120 million team every single playoff run and it would be the equivalent of the Canes pulling some nonsense like miraculously having Reinhart and Forsberg playing for them too. To be honest that might be what they need to do.

And I'm sure the VGK are asking themselves how to get both Crosby and Karlsson once Stone is inevitably injured again 2 weeks before the TDL and for the rest of the season

 

[JoVel]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

 

[Felonious Python]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

Only three metro teams had positive goal differentials. NYR, CAR, and (barely) PIT.

 

[DFC]

Maybe a little bit but Rod's failure isn't coming down to his scheme. The Canes don't have a whole lot of high end talent minus Aho. Rod's issue is the fact he's peddling a team on par with any of those 2010's NYR teams. More or less it is a bunch of dudes who can bleed, grind and score 20. But he doesn't have a Lundqvist to go God mode and steal a bunch of games the team has no business winning. Once Freddy let that squeaker go by the game was over. "Henrik would never" so to speak.

More recently I know the Avs and especially the VGK have said "What goaltending?" since Fleury left. But the VGK also field some ridiculous $120 million team every single playoff run and it would be the equivalent of the Canes pulling some nonsense like miraculously having Reinhart and Forsberg playing for them too. To be honest that might be what they need to do.

And I'm sure the VGK are asking themselves how to get both Crosby and Karlsson once Stone is inevitably injured again 2 weeks before the TDL and for the rest of the season

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

 

[Felonious Python]

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

I know that there was some criticism a few months ago online about man-to-man defense not being suitable for the playoffs.

 

[The Macho King]

I don't think they'll get it done with Rod or anyone else. I think they've underperformed a lot, but they've also been insanely overrated for a team that has guys like Aho and Svechnikov as their leading forwards.

Analytics gurus have been splooging over them for almost a decade now.

 

[These Are The Days]

I think the scheme is what makes them overrated. They can outshoot their opponents every night, but as we saw when we played them, most of the shots are harmless against a good structure. So they wind up being a good regular season team that cant beat teams built for playoff hockey.

You're right. That's what I mean. A lot of it is situational and just comes down to IQ and shot selection. But that's where the talent factor comes in. Throw the kitchen sink at them defensively and they're helpless exactly like the NYR were vs the Kings. Big guys who can hit The Canes shoot as often as the Lightning should be but can't move the puck nearly as well. What makes the Panthers so dangerous is they're as heavy as the Canes but have the skill necessary to break down a good structure. The Canes are FAR from where they need to be and to be honest they look something like I expect from Detroit in about 2 years but not even as good in the regular season

 

[Todd1a]

Will a deal get done ?

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