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McDavid is overrated? It’s common knowledge that Matthews is the best goal scorer in the NHL. And welcome to hockey.If the best player in the NHL can be overrated, so can the best goal scorer (whomever that may be).
McDavid is overrated? It’s common knowledge that Matthews is the best goal scorer in the NHL. And welcome to hockey.If the best player in the NHL can be overrated, so can the best goal scorer (whomever that may be).
McDavid is overrated? It’s common knowledge that Matthews is the best goal scorer in the NHL. And welcome to hockey.
It is easy in 2020s .Why has Ovechkin never exceeded 90 points since 2010 if it's so easy ?
Daniel SedinIt is easy in 2020s .
It was hard in 2010s.
These are not 100 points seasons.Daniel Sedin
Martin Saint-Louis
Corey Perry
Henrik Sedin
Steven Stamkos (X3)
Yevgeni Malkin (X2)
Claude Giroux (X2)
Sidney Crosby (X2)
Patrick Kane (X2)
Connor McDavid (X3)
Nikita Kucherov (X2)
Nathan McKinnon (X2)
Taylor Hall
Anze Kopitar
Phil Kessel
Blake Wheeler (X2)
Leon Draisaitl
Brad Marchand
Johnny Gaudreau
Aleksandar Barkov
Mitchell Marner
Brayden Point
Jonathan Huberdeau
Does it between 2011-19. Not Ovechkin.
It's you who decides to insist. You say it's easy to score 106 points, I tell you that Ovechkin hasn't scored more than 90 points since 2010. So if it's that easy, why has he never done it ?These are not 100 points seasons.
Edit: also setting random thresholds like 91 points must be actual trolling.
It is relatively much easier to score 100 points currently than it was when Ovi had his 100 points seasons. That was my argument. You somehow changed it to 91points seasons and 2010s.It's you who decides to insist. You say it's easy to score 106 points, I tell you that Ovechkin hasn't scored more than 90 points since 2010. So if it's that easy, why has he never done it ?
It's also easier to score 100 points when all the offensive systems are built around you and you make everything score as many points as possible.It is relatively much easier to score 100 points currently than it was when Ovi had his 100 points seasons. That was my argument. You somehow changed it to 91points seasons and 2010s.
Ovi ranking is based mostly on amazing peak and longevity. No one argues he was best player post his peak, Yet you keep comparing hims to player who cant match his peak and dont have longevity (yet).
Great plan, they went from 121 points team in 09/10 to fringe playoff team 2 years later.I don't think Ovechkin got any weaker after age 25. Simply that the team saw other talents emerging and abandoned the all-Ovechkin strategy.
It is really not, Pavelski was 1st line level between 08-09 and 23-24As for longevity, it's very common to see elite players playing until the age of 38 and this season, it's clearly burnt out. Pavelski, a year older, plays better than him.
And 50 goals seasons in that timespan:Daniel Sedin
Martin Saint-Louis
Corey Perry
Henrik Sedin
Steven Stamkos (X3)
Yevgeni Malkin (X2)
Claude Giroux (X2)
Sidney Crosby (X2)
Patrick Kane (X2)
Connor McDavid (X3)
Nikita Kucherov (X2)
Nathan McKinnon (X2)
Taylor Hall
Anze Kopitar
Phil Kessel
Blake Wheeler (X2)
Leon Draisaitl
Brad Marchand
Johnny Gaudreau
Aleksandar Barkov
Mitchell Marner
Brayden Point
Jonathan Huberdeau
Does it between 2011-19. Not Ovechkin.
Unfortunately scoring goals is selfish, especially on low sh%,And 50 goals seasons in that timespan:
Leon Draisaitl (x1)
Evgeni Malkin (x1)
Corey Perry (x1)
Steven Stamkos (x1)
Alexander Ovechkin (x4)
During these 2 seasons, Washington won 2 series. During the Ovechkin All-in, only 1 in 5 years.Great plan, they went from 121 points team in 09/10 to fringe playoff team 2 years later.
It is really not, Pavelski was 1st line level between 08-09 and 23-24
Ovi between 05-06 and 22-23. Still edge to Ovi and Pavelski is also exception.
Much more collective players who shoot much less on goal.And 50 goals seasons in that timespan:
Leon Draisaitl (x1)
Evgeni Malkin (x1)
Corey Perry (x1)
Steven Stamkos (x1)
Alexander Ovechkin (x4)
Ah yes we all know Malkins motto. To score, to score and to defend.Much more collective players who shoot much less on goal.
A guy like Malkin plays to score, to score and to defend. Ovechkin only plays to score and put a few shoulder shots against the boards.
just alot more skilled played now then there was back then. its really that simple so no its not harder or easier. there were just less elite playersIt is easy in 2020s .
It was hard in 2010s.
Still being worse in RS does not seem like great plan to increase your change to win a cupDuring these 2 seasons, Washington won 2 series. During the Ovechkin All-in, only 1 in 5 years.
They remained average at best till 15/16The drop in points in the regular season can be explained by Green's injuries, Backstrom's absence half of the 2011/12 season.
Longevity by definition cant be measured by one season performance.Still problems of understanding except regarding Pavelski. Pavelski has a better 2023/24 season. That's what I was saying. But I think you are deliberately not understanding in order to look for a counter angle.
I am sure that's a factor, but the mid-late 2000's saw an increase in speed and unimpeded play. By unimpeded, i mean there wasn't as much clutching and grabbing. This allowed the goal scorers to get into high danger zones and net the puck. As teams adapted to the rule changes and learned how to slow skaters down again, scoring dropped significantly. Reducing the size of goalie equipment and the depth of the net has helped a bit with that.just alot more skilled played now then there was back then. its really that simple so no its not harder or easier. there were just less elite players
I know but it also allowed players over the past 10+ years to get better with those rules and become alot more elite.I am sure that's a factor, but the mid-late 2000's saw an increase in speed and unimpeded play. By unimpeded, i mean there wasn't as much clutching and grabbing. This allowed the goal scorers to get into high danger zones and net the puck. As teams adapted to the rule changes and learned how to slow skaters down again, scoring dropped significantly. Reducing the size of goalie equipment and the depth of the net has helped a bit with that.
I disagreejust alot more skilled played now then there was back then. its really that simple so no its not harder or easier. there were just less elite players
One of the saddest aspects of hockey right now. Goalies work hard on having sound technical skills. That instinctual slinky spine, paddle saves, diving across the crease with the glove behind your back is a thing of the past. The result is consistent and sound goaltending, so i am sure management loves it. The rest of us miss the excitement and skill.I know but it also allowed players over the past 10+ years to get better with those rules and become alot more elite.
not as many elite goalies right now either which is also a factor. I still think if u threw McDavid and alot of the other players putting up 90-100+ points in the league around 2010 that scoring would go up. still within a timeframe where they would benefit from advanced training and all that. harder to say this when comparing to like the 80s
alot of skill entered the league since 15/16I disagree
10/11-15/16 - outside of Crosby best scorers were Stamkos/Kane/Malkin at 1,03-1,13 PPG range
In last 3 seasons in 1.03-1.13 range we have players like Forsberg/Point/Guentzel/Connor/Nylander
Stamkos actually improved between these 2 periods.
So Washington would have been stronger by continuing to center all offensive schemes around him. Not really convinced but hey... it seemed to me that the title had been won in 2018 with a more collective team.Still being worse in RS does not seem like great plan to increase your change to win a cup
They remained average at best till 15/16
Longevity by definition cant be measured by one season performance.
Don’t forget that prior to that time period, he failed reach 66 goals in a season, 60 assists in a season, and his 112-point season was dwarfed by Bernie Nicholls’s 150-point season in 1989!2010-2024 is still a very long cycle. No season over 90 points and being negative over a 14-year cycle is huge.