2023-24 Senators Prospect Watch

[Sens of Anarchy]

Jordan Stall was never a low end #1, he’s an excellent #3. His offence never came as a pro. Funny thing about ceilings, that is the best possible outcome and almost impossible to hit. As for Joel Otto, he was one of the best shutdown enters of his era, limited offence but used his size to frustrate some great centres. Otto would be a 4LC in today’s game.

I had Otto in my playoff pool this year... I loaded up with Calgary and... won. I liked Otto... Good 3rd line C at his best
He was really good on the draws

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I think Ostapchuk has a good chance as a 3rd line winger.

 

[GCK]

I had Otto in my playoff pool this year... I loaded up with Calgary and... won. I liked Otto... Good 3rd line C at his best
He was really good on the draws

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Calgary Flames

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I think Ostapchuk has a good chance as a 3rd line winger.

I like him at centre eventually.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I like him at centre eventually.

Sure all depends on who you have 3 and what you want out of them.. I like him quite a bit. He had a good year.

 

[Xspyrit]

I like that we have Ostapchuk but he's a Nick Paul talent at the very best. Forget about Jordan Staal or guys like that

 

[armani]

I like that we have Ostapchuk but he's a Nick Paul talent at the very best. Forget about Jordan Staal or guys like that

I will take Nick Paul, but the Big O is nastier. So a nastier version of Big Dick Nick.

 

[GCK]

I like that we have Ostapchuk but he's a Nick Paul talent at the very best. Forget about Jordan Staal or guys like that

Better skater than Nick Paul but not a bad safe projection.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

I like that we have Ostapchuk but he's a Nick Paul talent at the very best. Forget about Jordan Staal or guys like that

I get a kick out of you talking in absolutes like you know what the heck you’re talking about.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I get a kick out of you talking in absolutes like you know what the heck you’re talking about.

God forbid someone try to be reasonable when projecting a prospect.

 

[Xspyrit]

I get a kick out of you talking in absolutes like you know what the heck you’re talking about.

Well, like for stocks or crypto currencies, when you try to make a coin with hockey cards (or any other sport), you have to learn to project young players and I have tried to do that for a long time now, as Duncan Keith and Keith Yandle were my first "finds". Analyzing a skillset, watching games and clips, reading every report available and a simple analytical data will help in that regard. Even reading other posters opinions on HF can help.

Nick Paul has 24 goals and 46 pts this season. If the league scoring stays relatively similar during Ostapchuk's peak, do you see him topping that, at the NHL level? Do you remember Formenton? Doubled Zack's prodution in his AHL rookie season and most were seeing Alex as a 3rd liner as well...

Stranger things have happened, but I don't see Ostapchuk becoming a Top-6 player. Absolutely nothing suggests that. Based on his junior and AHL rookie season, you hope he is a slow cooker like Paul who will progress into a very useful 2-way player rather than a defensive specialist

Even if it will make you hate my takes even more, for now a SAFE projection is a Sam Lafferty type. I'd say that it is his floor.

And to specify on why Jordan Staal was a wishful comparison, there's a reason he was a 2nd OA pick while Ostapchuk was a 2nd round pick. Staal maybe didn't end up producing like first expected, but he is a perennial Selke candidate despite modest production compared to guys like Barkov, Stone or Bergeron.

If Ostapchuk ends up as a good as Jordan Staal, that is a major homerun.

I will take Nick Paul, but the Big O is nastier. So a nastier version of Big Dick Nick.

Seriously, if he ends up like a Trent Frederic type, that'd be fantastic

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

My excitement with Ostapchuk is for the type of player & need he fills, way more than his upside

Even if he's not as good as Paul or Frederic I think he can be a greater defensive presence than either guy

 

[GCK]

God forbid someone try to be reasonable when projecting a prospect.

Ceiling is not meant to be a probable outcome. Ceiling means maximizing tools and being the best possible outcome.

 

[Micklebot]

Ceiling is not meant to be a probable outcome. Ceiling means maximizing tools and being the best possible outcome.

Just like Staal's ceiling wasn't elite 3rd line center, he had a ceiling much higher than that.

I don't think Ostapchuk becomes a 50 pts, high end defensive center. It's possible, and that would be a ceiling similar to Staals career, but it's not all that likely.

Paul is a pretty good projection if things go well for him,

I think Colin Greening is a floor. Well, AHL player is the floor I suppose, but I think Ostapchuk should become a player of Greening or better at the NHL level.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Just like Staal's ceiling wasn't elite 3rd line center, he had a ceiling much higher than that.

I don't think Ostapchuk becomes a 50 pts, high end defensive center. It's possible, and that would be a ceiling similar to Staals career, but it's not all that likely.

Paul is a pretty good projection if things go well for him,

I think Colin Greening is a floor. Well, AHL player is the floor I suppose, but I think Ostapchuk should become a player of Greening or better at the NHL level.

It's not really possible. He's not going to have a career like Jordan Staal. I'm going to say that with 98% certainty.

If we get lucky he develops into a similar player to 35YR old Jordan Staal - AKA the player he is right now - a 30-40P elite shutdown centerman.

This talk of ceiling is just rationalizing unrealistic expectations.

 

[GCK]

Just like Staal's ceiling wasn't elite 3rd line center, he had a ceiling much higher than that.

I don't think Ostapchuk becomes a 50 pts, high end defensive center. It's possible, and that would be a ceiling similar to Staals career, but it's not all that likely.

Paul is a pretty good projection if things go well for him,

I think Colin Greening is a floor. Well, AHL player is the floor I suppose, but I think Ostapchuk should become a player of Greening or better at the NHL level.

I’ve been high on Ostapchuk since I first saw him in Junior. I’m thinking 40 points, PK, shutdown, chippy 3rd liner is reasonable. I don’t think he has anywhere near the skill to be a scoring forward but I’d be shocked if he didn’t become a 3rd line mainstay.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1792143504652554516

It would be nice if the Sens had their next goalie somewhere in their system.

 

[Snowwy]

It's not really possible. He's not going to have a career like Jordan Staal. I'm going to say that with 98% certainty.

If we get lucky he develops into a similar player to 35YR old Jordan Staal - AKA the player he is right now - a 30-40P elite shutdown centerman.

This talk of ceiling is just rationalizing unrealistic expectations.

98% certainty seems low to be honest.

 

[Loach]

Tyler Kleven LD - an opinion piece

These guys know shit about shit.

 

[Loach]

Let's be real here, at the same age Staal already had two 20G seasons and a 49P season under his belt playing on the Pens' 3rd line.

And in his prime he could have been considered a low-end #1 center. Ostapchuk just doesn't have that kind of upside.

I know nothing about Otto besides what hockeydb can tell me but looking at his numbers he appears to be closer to the best case scenario, not the floor.

I hope he's Otto. He would be the toughest guy in the league today.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1793695415138685129

 

[BoardsofCanada]

Based on my one game viewing of Kleven in the 2nd round against Cleveland, I think he can replace Chychrun with no problem. I predict he'll start out getting bottom pairing minutes but as the season goes along they'll trust him more and more.

What impressed me was how well he moved for a big man. I'm not talking defensively; I saw him attack the offensive zone and make plays.... almost like Jake Sanderson. Not saying he moves as well as Sanderson but he didn't look too far off.

 

[Icelevel]

Based on my one game viewing of Kleven in the 2nd round against Cleveland, I think he can replace Chychrun with no problem. I predict he'll start out getting bottom pairing minutes but as the season goes along they'll trust him more and more.

What impressed me was how well he moved for a big man. I'm not talking defensively; I saw him attack the offensive zone and make plays.... almost like Jake Sanderson. Not saying he moves as well as Sanderson but he didn't look too far off.

He’s very good. And big. And strong. And smart.
I think he can end up on our second pair if needed.
For now while chabot is there I don’t see a problem with him as our 3LD

The left side looks very good with those three.
The right side will be ok if we add a rhd at least equal to zub. Easier said than done but that’s the task.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Based on my one game viewing of Kleven in the 2nd round against Cleveland, I think he can replace Chychrun with no problem. I predict he'll start out getting bottom pairing minutes but as the season goes along they'll trust him more and more.

What impressed me was how well he moved for a big man. I'm not talking defensively; I saw him attack the offensive zone and make plays.... almost like Jake Sanderson. Not saying he moves as well as Sanderson but he didn't look too far off.

The one thing Chychrun brings that is hard to replace is his shot/goal scoring, but Sanderson & Chabot are both good goal scorers anyways.

 

[GCK]

The one thing Chychrun brings that is hard to replace is his shot/goal scoring, but Sanderson & Chabot are both good goal scorers anyways.

Klevin has a bomb.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Klevin has a bomb.

Kleven can shoot the puck hard but that doesnt mean he can score like Chychrun. I am not gonna miss Chychrun but he is an elite goalscoring D. He just happens to be mediocre at just about everything else.

 

[aragorn]

Kleven can shoot the puck hard but that doesnt mean he can score like Chychrun. I am not gonna miss Chychrun but he is an elite goalscoring D. He just happens to be mediocre at just about everything else.

I expect that if Chabot can stay healthy, he has the potential to put up a lot of pts, I also expect that Sanderson's scoring will trend upwards as he gets more experience & matures. Chychrun does have a hard shot from the point as does Kleven although I don't expect that he will ever put up the pts Chychrun can, however, hopefully we find a RD who can. IMO Yakemchuk could, he has a bomb from the blueline, he's also a very skilled PMD who can score on the transition & as he gets older & better should easily replace Chychrun's pts.