Confirmed with Link: Adin Hill traded to Vegas for 2024 4th Round Pick

[Painful Quandary]

Yeah I still think the real mistake was trading for him in the first place when anyone with eyes could see the team was going to be bad regardless of goaltending. I’d rather have whoever we would have drafted 43rd overall last year in the system right now instead of ever taking the chance on Hill.

Didn't they just need someone not named Jone5 in net at that point? If for no other reason than team morale?

DW was trying to sneak the Sharks into the playoffs as a bubble team, and replacing a failing Jones was necessary to do that. Now if you want to argue that Wilson still pushing for the playoffs rather than embracing a full rebuild being the mistake, I would agree. After Jumbo was gone, there was no reason to push for the playoffs anymore.

 

[landshark]

I wish we had just kept Jones tbh. I doubt our goaltending the last two seasons would have been much worse and we wouldn’t have his buyout cap hit on the books until 2027.

But even if we had to buy him out, we could have easily just signed another UFA goalie alongside Reimer instead of trading a 2nd.

I get it. I feel like the Sharks just needed a different goalie... Jones had too many stinkers with the current team.

 

[Jargon]

Vegas would’ve won with Jones in net and made him look good. It just so happens that our defense makes okay goalies look horrific. If there’s one thing I’d focus on, if I was Grier, it’s how to entirely rebuild our D-corp now and for the future — I suspect it’s what he’s going to do in the offseason.

 

[Saskatoon]

No, you are still correct that trading Hill was the right move. Hill doesn't get the Sharks into the playoffs and he isn't going to be starter material by the time the rebuild is done. Might as well get a pick. Plenty of below-average goalies get a team a cup and plenty of below-average goalies look legit under certain coaching systems.

5D chess... Hill now gets a better contract than he is worth and doesnt live up to it

Ala Martin Jones

 

[stator]

I wish we had just kept Jones tbh. I doubt our goaltending the last two seasons would have been much worse and we wouldn’t have his buyout cap hit on the books until 2027.

But even if we had to buy him out, we could have easily just signed another UFA goalie alongside Reimer instead of trading a 2nd.

The Sharks would probably have the 1st pick of this draft too.

 

[karltonian]

No, you are still correct that trading Hill was the right move. Hill doesn't get the Sharks into the playoffs and he isn't going to be starter material by the time the rebuild is done. Might as well get a pick. Plenty of below-average goalies get a team a cup and plenty of below-average goalies look legit under certain coaching systems.

Nemo his name forevermore.

 

[jarr92]

Yeah I still think the real mistake was trading for him in the first place when anyone with eyes could see the team was going to be bad regardless of goaltending. I’d rather have whoever we would have drafted 43rd overall last year in the system right now instead of ever taking the chance on Hill.

Yup, the Hill and Lane Pederson deals were the moment I completely lost faith in DW.

 

[TheBeard]

The Sharks would probably have the 1st pick of this draft too.

Jones, I believe had a better year than any of the Sharks goalies.

 

[Saskatoon]

Jones, I believe had a better year than any of the Sharks goalies.

His save percentage was 0.887

 

[TheBeard]

His save percentage was 0.887

Pretty close to Reimer's .890

 

[Saskatoon]

Pretty close to Reimer's .890

But still lower so not sure your point?

Jones is still bad. Seattle was good.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

The Sharks would probably have the 1st pick of this draft too.

No, Chicago was getting that no matter where we finished!

 

[mogambomoroo]

Vegas would’ve won with Jones in net and made him look good. It just so happens that our defense makes okay goalies look horrific. If there’s one thing I’d focus on, if I was Grier, it’s how to entirely rebuild our D-corp now and for the future — I suspect it’s what he’s going to do in the offseason.

This 100%.
I think that's the reason MG has build a very solid team before even thinking about the goalie situation. As much as I hate it, Vegas build their team the way that they can almost have an empty net the whole game and still win (Not literally).
Build the team first, and roll the goalie carousel with it until you a find a match.

 

[Jargon]

This 100%.
I think that's the reason MG has build a very solid team before even thinking about the goalie situation. As much as I hate it, Vegas build their team the way that they can almost have an empty net the whole game and still win (Not literally).
Build the team first, and roll the goalie carousel with it until you a find a match.

Yep. I also think Vegas is a prime example of how Grier wants the Sharks to play. Super aggressive, fast, etc etc

 

[stator]

No, Chicago was getting that no matter where we finished!

Thinking it was rigged?

 

[stator]

Yep. I also think Vegas is a prime example of how Grier wants the Sharks to play. Super aggressive, fast, etc etc

The Las Vegas route to the cup is probably not available to Grier. I don't think the ownership would let him carry a high payroll via LTIR. He's going to have do it the old fashion way.

 

[Jargon]

The Las Vegas route to the cup is probably not available to Grier. I don't think the ownership would let him carry a high payroll via LTIR. He's going to have do it the old fashion way.

I think ownership would absolutely let him do that, Hasso is a multibillionaire. If they actually built a real contender and Hertl got “really injured” til the playoffs, I don’t think Hasso would mind at all.

We’re very far from that scenario though!

 

[Barrie22]

I think ownership would absolutely let him do that, Hasso is a multibillionaire. If they actually built a real contender and Hertl got “really injured” til the playoffs, I don’t think Hasso would mind at all.

We’re very far from that scenario though!

He is a billionaire, but he is also an owner that needs a perfect season of sellouts and multiple rounds of the playoffs just to have a chance at breaking even for revenue. Removing millions in revenue for a kick at a cup might sound nice as a fan, but not really an owner.

 

[Hodge]

He is a billionaire, but he is also an owner that needs a perfect season of sellouts and multiple rounds of the playoffs just to have a chance at breaking even for revenue. Removing millions in revenue for a kick at a cup might sound nice as a fan, but not really an owner.

The Ottawa freaking Senators just sold for nearly a billion dollars. The money in pro sports ownership isn’t about the revenue anymore, it’s about franchise value appreciation. Hasso paid something like $150 million for his stake in the Sharks. It’s not crazy to think he could sell for 10x that amount within the decade, especially if the new Google development increases the value of the SAP Center land.

 

[Jargon]

The Ottawa freaking Senators just sold for nearly a billion dollars. The money in pro sports ownership isn’t about the revenue anymore, it’s about franchise value appreciation. Hasso paid something like $150 million for his stake in the Sharks. It’s not crazy to think he could sell for 10x that amount within the decade, especially if the new Google development increases the value of the SAP Center land.

Not to mention posting a loss helps him write off millions in taxes. I think the team is his hobby and he’s willing to spend to get them to win the cup — he is insanely rich. The Sharks are pocket change.

 

[stator]

I think ownership would absolutely let him do that, Hasso is a multibillionaire. If they actually built a real contender and Hertl got “really injured” til the playoffs, I don’t think Hasso would mind at all.

We’re very far from that scenario though!

They would have been doing that already, if what you say is true.

 

[Jargon]

They would have been doing that already, if what you say is true.

What do you mean? They literally made Karlsson the highest paying defenseman in the league. Are you saying they should’ve cheated the LTIR system? I mean… it doesn’t feel like DW’s MO.

Also, to give Vegas some credit, it sounds like Stone actually is pretty messed up.

 

[stator]

Vegas would’ve won with Jones in net and made him look good. It just so happens that our defense makes okay goalies look horrific. If there’s one thing I’d focus on, if I was Grier, it’s how to entirely rebuild our D-corp now and for the future — I suspect it’s what he’s going to do in the offseason.

Grier will likely be better at building a defensive core compared to DW. That was DW's achilles heal. Interesting since he was a defenseman in the NHL prior, imo.

Sharks need guys that actually play defense, not as a part time gig to offense. They need a shutdown pairing. It would make goalies look better too.

 

[Shark Finn]

Grier will likely be better at building a defensive core compared to DW. That was DW's achilles heal. Interesting since he was a defenseman in the NHL prior, imo.

Sharks need guys that actually play defense, not as a part time gig to offense. They need a shutdown pairing. It would make goalies look better too.

Vlasic-Braun used to be a pretty effective pairing.

 

[stator]

Vlasic-Braun used to be a pretty effective pairing.

True, but that was his only one and it lasted for a couple of seasons, imo.