Confirmed with Link: Avs trade Jermey Hanzel + '25 3rd for Yakov Trenin + D Graham Sward

[SirLoinOfCloth]

that CNap nickname is looking more ridiculous every day. More like CDawwwwwggg

I'm leaning towards CMax.

 

[The Kingslayer]

CMac wide awake now

 

[Foppa2118]

Avs have brought in a fair amount more Russians than usual recently, in different ways. Perhaps to make Val feel more comfortable?

Trenin, Bardakov, Gulyayev, Prosvetov, Georgiev, Kovalenko.

Feeling isolated to an extent might have been a contributing factor to his issues.

 

[the_fan]

One thing I don’t get about this trade from Nashville side is why would they send Trenin to division team the Avs, make them tougher specially when there is a chance they can face each other in the 1st round?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

One thing I don’t get about this trade from Nashville side is why would they send Trenin to division team the Avs, make them tougher specially when there is a chance they can face each other in the 1st round?

Surely you can figure this one out.

 

[the_fan]

Surely you can figure this one out.

I really can’t. What am I missing?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I really can’t. What am I missing?

They're not stupid enough to think they have serious playoff aspirations even if they make it in. What does it matter to them who they trade this player to? His contract expires after the season and they likely don't plan to sign him.

You really can't understand why middling teams trade guys on expiring deals for picks? You've been here for almost 20 f***ing years man.

 

[the_fan]

They're not stupid enough to think they have serious playoff aspirations even if they make it in. What does it matter to them who they trade this player to? His contract expires after the season and they likely don't plan to sign him.

You really can't understand why middling teams trade guys on expiring deals for picks?

I mean they signed a guy like ROR which means they weren’t in a rebuild mode, they recently won like 6 games in a row and are sitting solidly in a wildcard spot. Suddenly they decide to start selling? I see what they’re doing, I just don’t get it

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I mean they signed a guy like ROR which means they weren’t in a rebuild mode, they recently won like 6 games in a row and are sitting solidly in a wildcard spot. Suddenly they decide to start selling? I see what they’re doing, I just don’t get it

Yeah and not trying to be hostile but I doubt you ever will get it at this point.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Trenin’s apparently been the guy in Nashville to mentor and house younger Russian players. Interesting timing…

Lol guess they didnt want Nuke doing that.

 

[the_fan]

Yeah and not trying to be hostile but I doubt you ever will get it at this point.

Yeah, all I get is that it doesn’t make sense. I mean I get the concept. Yeah they don’t think they can do anything in the playoffs even if they make it. Trade players with expiring contracts etc..but whynot just start a rebuild from the get go instead of signing over 30 year old ROR, and now the word is they’re not shopping Saros since they’re a playoff team. Like I said, they’re just all over the place and it doesn’t make sense

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Yeah, all I get is that it doesn’t make sense. I mean I get the concept. Yeah they don’t think they can do anything in the playoffs even if they make it. Trade players with expiring contracts etc..but whynot just start a rebuild from the get go instead of signing over 30 year old ROR, and now the word is they’re not shopping Saros since they’re a playoff team. Like I said, they’re just all over the place and it doesn’t make sense

I think you're just refusing to see the nuance in their situation and you seem to think there's only two ways to operate a hockey team at any given moment: go all in or scorched earth rebuild. It's just way more complicated than that.

 

[the_fan]

I think you're just refusing to see the nuance in their situation and you seem to think there's only two ways to operate a hockey team at any given moment: go all in or scorched earth rebuild. It's just way more complicated than that.

There are bunch of ways to operate a hockey team, but not all of them are effective.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

There are bunch of ways to operate a hockey team, but not all of them are effective.

So what are you doing if you're Nashville's GM this deadline?

Trading picks and prospects for rentals?

Trading every player over the age of 25 for picks?

Keep in mind their current roster and contract situations. They can't really tank to get a top 5 pick either.

 

[henchman21]

Playoff revenue is incredibly important for 24+ teams.

 

[the_fan]

So what are you doing if you're Nashville's GM this deadline?

Trading picks and prospects for rentals?

Trading every player over the age of 25 for picks?

Keep in mind their current roster and contract situations. They can't really tank to get a top 5 pick either.

There is a reason why I don’t run a hockey team, it’s because I have no idea how, but if I’m Nashville, I’m probably deciding if I’m retooling, rebuilding or staying the course. Looks like they’re retooling but I’m not sure

 

[a mangy Meowth]

There is a reason why I don’t run a hockey team, it’s because I have no idea how, but if I’m Nashville, I’m probably deciding if I’m retooling, rebuilding or staying the course. Looks like they’re retooling but I’m not sure

That's exactly what they're doing; retooling. It's all just asset management. A team like Nashville does not spend excessively and has a budget. They have to play the margins with trades like this in order to create value because they also refuse (for better or worse) to burn it all down and draft high.

Whether or not it's the right choice, IDK, but I think it's pretty obvious why they wouldn't mind trading a soon-to-be-UFA 4th liner for a draft pick, but would also hesitate to trade Saros (signed this year and next, and a significantly more valuable player regardless).

 

[MaKarter]

Avs have brought in a fair amount more Russians than usual recently, in different ways. Perhaps to make Val feel more comfortable?

Trenin, Bardakov, Gulyayev, Prosvetov, Georgiev, Kovalenko.

Feeling isolated to an extent might have been a contributing factor to his issues.

Not Georgiev, but yes much more Russian presence.

 

[the_fan]

That's exactly what they're doing; retooling. It's all just asset management. A team like Nashville does not spend excessively and has a budget. They have to play the margins with trades like this in order to create value because they also refuse (for better or worse) to burn it all down and draft high.

Whether or not it's the right choice, IDK, but I think it's pretty obvious why they wouldn't mind trading a soon-to-be-UFA 4th liner for a draft pick, but would also hesitate to trade Saros (signed this year and next, and a significantly more valuable player regardless).

Retooling almost never works. Gotta do some sort of a rebuild. Some teams get lucky where rebuild doesn’t take long like the Rangers, for some it takes longer, but if you don’t have a winning team, retooling won’t work. Just ask the Pens

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Retooling almost never works. Gotta do some sort of a rebuild. Some teams get lucky where rebuild doesn’t take long like the Rangers, for some it takes longer, but if you don’t have a winning team, retooling won’t work. Just ask the Pens

I'm not trying to convince you that it works. I actually agree with you.

You don't have to agree with it to understand what they're trying to do.

 

[wayninja]

I would say that you are correct and that it goes for all names.

 

[GeoRox89]

I mean they signed a guy like ROR which means they weren’t in a rebuild mode, they recently won like 6 games in a row and are sitting solidly in a wildcard spot. Suddenly they decide to start selling? I see what they’re doing, I just don’t get it

The Preds are under no illusion they’re contenders. Recouping assets for expiring players is the smart idea. What the Preds are after is 2-3 games of playoff revenue and if they happen to make it 4-6+ then that’s a bonus but not the main goal

 

[shadow1]

Even though the series was a sweep, Trenin hounded the Avs in the 2022 playoffs with 3 goals and 16 hits.

I've always remembered that, and Trenen was a guy I kept "trading for" when messing around on CapFriendly. I think he's taken a slight step back from that 2022 series, but this is a home run trade nevertheless.

 

[Gruyeriev]

I really can’t. What am I missing?

must be sleeper agent for Trotz-ky

 

[sethro109]

Getting two 4th line guys is kinda weird. I hope LoC isn't more hurt than they originally thought.