Bobrovsky - HHOF?

[MadLuke]

Oh, I know he is in.

But it looking like Sergei is going to pass him, he already has in many aspects

Could be because I was not burned by him like some do, and I could be wrong but I feel sometime he could be one of the most underrated player ever in some corner ?

startSeason	lastSeason	FullName	GSAATotal	perGameGSAA
20182019	20222023	Andrei Vasilevskiy	79.6	0.37
20172018	20212022	Andrei Vasilevskiy	92.3	0.34
20162017	20202021	Andrei Vasilevskiy	79.6	0.30
20152016	20192020	Ben Bishop	66.9	0.28
20142015	20182019	Devan Dubnyk	64.2	0.20
20132014	20172018	Carey Price	67.2	0.27
20122013	20162017	Carey Price	77.3	0.32
20112012	20152016	Henrik Lundqvist	77.4	0.28
20102011	20142015	Henrik Lundqvist	87.1	0.31
20092010	20132014	Henrik Lundqvist	96.7	0.31
20082009	20122013	Henrik Lundqvist	100.3	0.32
20072008	20112012	Tim Thomas	123.7	0.46
20062007	20102011	Tomas Vokoun	115.1	0.39
20052006	20092010	Tomas Vokoun	135.2	0.46
20032004	20082009	Roberto Luongo	149.0	0.43
20022003	20072008	Roberto Luongo	151.3	0.42
20012002	20062007	Roberto Luongo	147.5	0.43
20002001	20052006	Roberto Luongo	134.8	0.43
19981999	20032004	Dominik Hasek	108.9	0.44
19992000	20032004	Roberto Luongo	102.0	0.38
19971998	20012002	Dominik Hasek	164.6	0.54
19961997	20002001	Dominik Hasek	206.6	0.68
19951996	19992000	Dominik Hasek	220.0	0.74
19941995	19981999	Dominik Hasek	242.8	0.80
19931994	19971998	Dominik Hasek	242.5	0.82
19921993	19961997	Dominik Hasek	195.8	0.77
19911992	19951996	Dominik Hasek	143.5	0.70
19901991	19941995	Curtis Joseph	149.2	0.56
19891990	19931994	Patrick Roy	182.6	0.61
19881989	19921993	Patrick Roy	173.6	0.62
19871988	19911992	Patrick Roy	182.1	0.69
19861987	19901991	Patrick Roy	149.1	0.62
19851986	19891990	Patrick Roy	123.2	0.51
19841985	19881989	Kelly Hrudey	89.3	0.36
19831984	19871988	Kelly Hrudey	93.2	0.49
19821983	19861987	Bob Froese	95.0	0.55
19811982	19851986	Billy Smith	110.9	0.54
19801981	19841985	Billy Smith	125.7	0.61
19791980	19831984	Billy Smith	137.1	0.66
19781979	19821983	Billy Smith	126.3	0.62
19771978	19811982	Tony Esposito	155.5	0.50
19761977	19801981	Tony Esposito	188.0	0.57
19751976	19791980	Tony Esposito	188.1	0.56
19741975	19781979	Ken Dryden	203.8	0.75
19721973	19771978	Ken Dryden	221.3	0.79
19731974	19771978	Tony Esposito	201.0	0.59
19711972	19761977	Ken Dryden	233.4	0.80
19701971	19751976	Ken Dryden	202.4	0.84
0	19741975	Ken Dryden	141.7	0.79
19691970	19731974	Tony Esposito	202.2	0.69
19681969	19731974	Bernie Parent	155.5	0.54
19671968	19711972	Bernie Parent	102.9	0.41
19641965	19711972	Jacques Plante	102.7	0.58
19661967	19701971	Bernie Parent	77.3	0.35
19651966	19691970	Johnny Bower	72.8	0.58
19631964	19671968	Johnny Bower	115.2	0.61
19621963	19661967	Glenn Hall	104.0	0.39
19611962	19651966	Glenn Hall	108.0	0.35
19601961	19641965	Glenn Hall	110.1	0.35
19591960	19631964	Glenn Hall	113.7	0.33
19581959	19621963	Jacques Plante	93.0	0.31
19571958	19611962	Jacques Plante	110.5	0.36
19561957	19601961	Jacques Plante	87.4	0.30
19551956	19591960	Jacques Plante	109.4	0.34
19541955	19581959	Jacques Plante	94.3	0.31
19531954	19571958	Jacques Plante	55.5	0.22
19521953	19571958	Glenn Hall	42.2	0.19

They guy was so dominant when he was on over 1000 games, some Calder vote in 2001 before MySpace was invented and still some last vote for the Vezina, all-star spot in 2018 when Facebook was not cool anymore.

Seem a non brainer HOFer to me.

 

[The Panther]

After Mike Vernon, I no longer have the slightest idea what constitutes a Hall of Fame goalie.

Unfortunately, neither does the Hall of Fame committee.

 

[Dingo]

so much good, and so much bad. its a strange career. i think Florida goes deep this yewr and it probably seals it. The Hall has to take some goalies, from each era, and ..... how many truly stand out from Bob's era to the point where you dont pick the guy with two Vezina's and a couple of late, great playoff runs? (If he does it this year)

He doesnt make my own Hall of Excellence, but I figure he is knocking on the door, maybe even has his foot in, on the HOF.

 

[WarriorofTime]

He's not done yet. He's 35, looks to have at least a bit of hockey in him. The only thing I'll say is that his big years are scattered a bit and there isn't a lot of greatness in between them. But two years of being in the top 5 in Hart voting, two Vezinas, 396 wins, a Stanley Cup final appearance. That's a lot of bread right there.

I think he is similar to the likes of Rask and Rinne. Neither of those guys were Hall of Famers I don't think. There just hasn't been the elite goalies in this era that stood out. Both of them are at the Hall of Very Good level though and Bob is even with them both I think. Jonathan Quick is at their level but with a different resume than the other ones. My thing is he is still playing and is playing on a great team who looks good out there and can add more to his resume. Prior to 2023 I would have said a hard no, but he did the one thing that held him back, he had a wicked Cup run.

We'll see. He's behind the likes of Luongo, Price, Fleury, Lundqvist. Those are the Hall of Famers from this era in my opinion, and all got there differently. Is Bob the 5th worthy guy? I don't know yet. But unlike the others he is still able to add more to his resume (Quick is basically relegated to back up mode now)

Bobrovsky is a bit of an in between generation between those goalies that have been retired for a while and goalies now in their primes.

 

[Sentinel]

If Florida wins this year, he is in. A Conn Smythe would seal the deal.

 

[Staniowski]

You wouldn't have thought that Bobrovsky would make the Hall, but given that he's winding down his career on a good team, it is possible. The so-called "goalie stats" can look pretty good if you play for a good defensive team.

 

[Danny46]

No, he never seems to be at his best in the playoffs...

 

[Sentinel]

After Mike Vernon, I no longer have the slightest idea what constitutes a Hall of Fame goalie.

Unfortunately, neither does the Hall of Fame committee.

I am still perplexed why is Vernon in and Thomas out.

No, he never seems to be at his best in the playoffs...

This is not aging well. He was stellar last year and this year is just as good.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Recency bias is a tough play, especially on this subforum...

 

[WarriorofTime]

It’d be nice if the GSA(A/E) could go up, but I think it ultimately comes down I think to whether the next sub generation can keep it up and result in some sure fire HOfers. Bob is kinda the king of his sub gen that straddled the line of the dpe 2.0 and the offensive resurgence but that’s not a sure fire if they have more obvious HOF goalies from the sub gen before and after. If there’s nobody else though that stands out after then you probably have to put him in unless it’s like baseball which is a way more difficult HOF and you have these extended HOF gaps at some positions.

 

[bobholly39]

Recency bias is a tough play, especially on this subforum...

I don't know. I used to be a big critic of his, was ready to call his contract the worst in league history, and despite his 2 vezinas didn't think he'd make it not too long ago.

But - he's redeeming himself a lot the past couple of years. Two extremely solid playoff runs in a row, a solid season.

My biggest issue with him was playoffs being weak, and he's certainly turning that around. Also with continued success and consistency in the regular season, he's adding some strong longevity too. He's #14 all-time for wins, but likely to continue to move up, could reach #6 potentially in 2 years.

At this point I think there's a really good chance he'll make it.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Turning it around? Sure. You can't fall off the floor. But we were talking about the worst playoff goalie of his era and among the worst of all time versus his regular season success.

He has lost his job several times during this contract.. And not just to Spencer Knight, which would be kind of justified...but to also-rans like Chris Driedger.

The one time he finished top 10 in GAA during this contract (3rd this year) is when his backup - Anthony Stolarz led the league by a large margin.

He has been fine during this playoffs so far, and he was fine last year (which includes a 4.70 GAA / .844 save pct. Final I guess)...but we really have to forget about over a decade of poor performance because he's had a couple of ok or good runs behind one of the league's best teams when it comes to investing in total team defense...? I feel like we're better than that...

 

[WarriorofTime]

He has as many Series wins as Carey Price.

People clap when a 1st line forward becomes a 2nd line forward and then a 3rd line forward and they just get their peak/prime and "longevity points" for continuing to exist and putting up a 50 point season. Bobrvosky has been a consistent starter for like 12 years but people are insistent on finding "contra points". People sensationalize some bad times or when he was benched because goaltending is inherently a boom/bust position. That's why it can go to "WORST CONTRACT IN THE NHL" to "oh yeah, that deal is totally worth it" with no in-between.

2 Vezinas, Eight Seasons in Top Tens in Wins, 14th all time in Wins, 37th all time in Shutouts. A historic playoff run to the Finals. Adding to his playoff resume this year. Really peak + longevity combo suggests HHOF even if it was a bit sporadic at times.

Should get in based on existing HHOF standards unless the crew 7-10 years younger than him all go onto long great careers so that they can feel comfortable just having a small gap there. Goaltending is inherently the hardest job to have longevity in because you are ALWAYS competing for your job, no matter the pedigree, the draft capital, the contract. At various times, Price lost his job to Halak, Fleury lost his job to Murray, Luongo lost his job to Schneider, Hasek took forever to become a Starter. You always have to be outperforming the other guy or they'll make a switch, they have to.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Bobrovsky has been a lot of things but consistent is absolutely not one of them

 

[WarriorofTime]

Bobrovsky has been a lot of things but consistent is absolutely not one of them

consistent starter, as in, has consistently been an NHL Starter

NHL Stats

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GS 2012-13 through 2023-24:

Bobrovsky - 609
Fleury - 579
Quick - 522
Hellebuyck - 496
Holtby - 483
Andersen - 481
Varlamov - 478
Vasilevskiy - 467
Gibson - 466
Talbot - 465

He basically stands alone in his mini sub-gen of goalies who came in during DPE 2.0 and have hung around to high scoring games again.

 

[Henry Miller]

It would be one of the strangest HHOF careers. Is there any other player in the HOF who had a forgettable chunk of seasons in the prime or middle of their career? If Bobrosky gets in it will be on the earlyish 2 Vezina’s and then strong postseason play late in his career

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

consistent starter, as in, has consistently been an NHL Starter

NHL Stats

The official source for NHL Stats including skaters, goalies, teams stats and more.

www.nhl.com

GS 2012-13 through 2023-24:

Bobrovsky - 609
Fleury - 579
Quick - 522
Hellebuyck - 496
Holtby - 483
Andersen - 481
Varlamov - 478
Vasilevskiy - 467
Gibson - 466
Talbot - 465

He basically stands alone in his mini sub-gen of goalies who came in during DPE 2.0 and have hung around to high scoring games again.

Starting the most games in a stretch is hardly a metric of performance or consistency.

In that stretch Bob was a slew of bad seasons and playoffs and has a career playoff GSAA of -23.3

12 years as a starter and only 4x top 10 in sv% (1,2,7,9) but 5x he's had a negative GSAA. He has 2 Vezinas but only 1,1,8,8,9 voting finishes.

The irony of any serious talk of Bob being in the Hall of Fame is you're saying the only reason someone like Tim Thomas isn't in the Hall is because he lacks bad seasons.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

It would be one of the strangest HHOF careers. Is there any other player in the HOF who had a forgettable chunk of seasons in the prime or middle of their career?

Mike Vernon?

 

[The Panther]

Mike Vernon?

Lol !!!

As if the Hall of Fame would be stupid enough to even consider Mike Vernon a Hall of Famer....!!