Coaching Discussion: Jon Cooper - Part 2

[DFC]

Agreed, but dead weight and players that aren't contributors should be expendable. Our bottom six is lacking. The guys with size are not good, the small guys are fast but not incredibly productive. Eyssimont, Paul, and Glendening are fine. Motte lived up to his contract but I would rather explore another option. To me, he's a clone of Glendening without face-off abilities. The bottom six is lifeless in terms of wearing down the opponent.

Lifeless is a good word. During peak years, the bottom six had a lot of character, to say the least. We came by our bad reputation honestly.

 

[Stelio Kontos]

So you think Sheary was just Cooper going rogue and demanding small forwards? What planet are you people on? They signed him because he scored 14, 19, and 15 goals over the last 3 seasons - right at the target production we wanted for a third line tweener. It just so happened he didn't pan out like expected, and I don't see them moving him or getting anything of value for him, so lets hope next season he'll pull a Hagel and produce.

Don't think for a second that guys don't want to play here - its still a premier spot, for a number of reasons, the only thing stopping us is the salary cap.

So you don’t think Cooper has a big say in what players this team is getting? If you don’t think they tried the same formula and failed badly than I don’t know what to say.
I’m not on the same planet as some fans with their heads buried in coopers lap that’s for sure where he can do no wrong.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

So you don’t think Cooper has a big say in what players this team is getting? If you don’t think they tried the same formula and failed badly than I don’t know what to say.
I’m not on the same planet as some fans with their heads buried in coopers lap that’s for sure where he can do no wrong.

What formula?! Cooper has a say but if you think he was the guy that went to Julien and said "find me a dwarfish hockey player that can score a couple goals, bring me Conor Sheary" i'll sell you some beautiful untouched real estate in the Sunrise area.

 

[DFC]

JBB: What does this team need?

Coop: It would be nice to get a few goals from the bottom six.

JBB: Let me see who's out there.

 

[Point21]

 

[DFC]

Jack Adams is the weirdest trophy of all. If you polled all voters on who the best coach in the NHL was, Coop would be no lower than #3 on any ballot, and likely win in a landslide.

 

[Stammertime91]

Jack Adams is the weirdest trophy of all. If you polled all voters on who the best coach in the NHL was, Coop would be no lower than #3 on any ballot, and likely win in a landslide.

I'm convinced we could get 68 wins in a season with Cooper and Keefe winning the Metro in his first year with a rookie defenseman scoring 3 goals on the Devils would seal the deal.

 

[DFC]

I'm convinced we could get 68 wins in a season with Cooper and Keefe winning the Metro in his first year with a rookie defenseman scoring 3 goals on the Devils would seal the deal.

It's not just Cooper though. It's the award. Scotty Bowman was universally regarded as the best coach in the world during his time in Detroit, but didnt win there.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Jack Adams is the weirdest trophy of all. If you polled all voters on who the best coach in the NHL was, Coop would be no lower than #3 on any ballot, and likely win in a landslide.

I would have to think Coop is with Hockey Canada in Czechia right now because he will be part of their coaching staff for the next Olympics or this Four Nations Face-Off. Coop was their pick a few years ago to lead Canada at the 2022 Olympics with Bruce Cassidy, Peter DeBoer, and Barry Trotz as his assistants. That's quite the honor considering all the canaidates they could choose from. Most of the head coaches in the NHL right now are Canadian out side of only Tortz, Sullivan, Laviolette, Hynes, Lalonde, and Cronin, who are all American.

 

[Felonious Python]

I'm convinced we could get 68 wins in a season with Cooper and Keefe winning the Metro in his first year with a rookie defenseman scoring 3 goals on the Devils would seal the deal.

I think the expectations on the Devils are too high.

Andre Tournigy may have a good shot next season.

 

[DFC]

I would have to think Coop is with Hockey Canada in Czechia right now because he will be part of their coaching staff for the next Olympics or this Four Nations Face-Off. Coop was their pick a few years ago to lead Canada at the 2022 Olympics with Bruce Cassidy, Peter DeBoer, and Barry Trotz as his assistants. That's quite the honor considering all the canaidates they could choose from. Most of the head coaches in the NHL right now are Canadian out side of only Tortz, Sullivan, Laviolette, Hynes, Lalonde, and Cronin, who are all American.

I consume a fair bit of hockey media, and it seems like Coop is quite widely regarded as the best. He's won a championship everywhere he's been.

I think the expectations on the Devils are too high.

Andre Tournigy may have a good shot next season.

Now that the Devils have hired Keefe, the Hockey Gods will intervene on their behalf. We dont know why, but we know, we KNOW, the Hockey Gods hate Toronto.

 

[FinnLightning26]

Would be funny if Keefe gets far with the Devils while Berube's Leafs get bounced in the first round again.

 

[ThunderRoad]

Welcome aboard

All GMs have a shelf life. Personally, I think JBB has two years left at this current rate with UFA, TDL, resigning, draft and.first round exits until his seat is warm or he's let go. I believe Cooper is actually safer than Brisebois. Vinik probably views them as a tandem and has confidence in both.

As fans, I think the failure of Jeannots trade to yield any resemblance of a "wow" factor as a player on this roster really hurt the then perceived overpay it was the moment it happened. In 75 regular season games, not outperforming Mitchell Chaffee or Gage Goncalves to the point where people are like "we need Jeannot in the lineup," is troubling. I'm not going to continue to beat that dead horse.

Compound that with back to back first round exits, there's definitely, DEFINITELY, multiple expendable players on this roster. The issue is that most of them were all JBB signings or trades. That's the problem. Will he swallow his pride and move someone like Jeannot so soon? Unlikely. Is he moving Sheary? Maybe. Dumba and Duclair cost us Thompson and a pick. That's the risk with rentals, as neither should be resigned. The 3 resignings all have their legitimate critiques. There's a lot Brisebois has done that's good, but we are slowly placing chips into the pot of what he's done "bad," or at least, has turned out to be mediocre. In the end, he didn't know how useless Sheary and Jeannot were going to be, but when you're the GM, you are the guy. You get credit when things go right, you get the blame when they don't.

Not to mention the extensions for Sergachev, Cirelli, and Cernak at the price point he signed them to at the time. Still think he should have been able to negotiate some savings on those contracts or at least made them prove it into the season heading towards that summer when their contracts were up.

When Stamkos was talking about guys taking less to stay in Tampa, I'm thinking those three didn't get that spiel/memo before adding their signatures to the dotted line.

I would think he would be under additional scrutiny considering he hasn't had a really good find/move in two years.

 

[ThunderRoad]

I don't dislike his staff personally. But I want them to have the wherewithal to understand that they need to do something else. We agree (in different ways) about the talent of the team not being good enough. Mine is if we don't have the talent to run a scheme, find a different one instead of forcing JFBB and the entire front office to scour the NHL for a specific player and have to organize this trade and that when coaches are literally paid to erase what's on a board and draw something new.

----Yes, I know that's how we won our Cups but that was coming off a system that scores a bunch of goals but didn't work for like 2 years. And now we're doing something that hasn't worked in 2 years. I'm saying do what we did in 2020 and find out a new way to win

But I digress. Bringing back Cooper, Stamkos and Hedman is the right thing to do. I don't think we're gonna be able to reload ala 2017 but we've at least paid the piper for those Cups for 2 years

It will be interesting to see if they continue with the "new" defensive scheme or toss it out. I'm hoping for the latter, although they could go with the first year growing pains justification and that it will work this time around.