News: Devils file for club-elected arbitration with Timo Meier

[Nocashstyle]

I base it on the fact he's going to arbitration. When was the last time a team elected arbitration with a player who wants to sign an 8 year contract with them? Especially because in arbitration you need to argue the player is not worth what they're seeking - seems counterproductive to a long term contract.

Sorry, a maximum of 6 weeks - better?

You’re acting like setting an arbitration date means it’s 100% going to arbitration lol. Ohh no! A month and a half to negotiate! Whatever will they do!?

 

[Divine]

You’re acting like setting an arbitration date means it’s 100% going to arbitration lol. Ohh no! A month and a half to negotiate! Whatever will they do!?

No I'm not.

I'm saying the Devils purposely imposed an early deadline on a player they wanted to sign, whether they sign him or not. That is not the sign of a team who thinks they can sign a player.

Can they still sign him? Sure. However, they now lowered their window to sign him by more than half.

 

[Nocashstyle]

No I'm not.

I'm saying the Devils purposely imposed an early deadline on a player they wanted to sign, whether they sign him or not. That is not the sign of a team who thinks they can sign a player.

Can they still sign him? Sure. However, they now lowered their window to sign him by more than half.

Lol, you’re just straight up making things up. I don’t think you understand how arbitration works, how many teams elect for it, and how many actually make it to arbitration.

Either way, I’m done responding. You’re like taking to a brick wall.

 

[Divine]

Lol, you’re just straight up making things up. I don’t think you understand how arbitration works, how many teams elect for it, and how many actually make it to arbitration.

Either way, I’m done responding. You’re like taking to a brick wall.

I don't think you realize how few times arbitration is elected by a team. They can only elect it once in a players career.

It'd be different if Meier elected it, but team-elected arbitration is not the same, especially among top players. A team rarely elects arbitration on elite players, especially ones they plan on re-signing. CBJ didn't do it to Laine after his poor season, they sucked it up and gave him his 7.5M QO.

Team-elected arbitration is not the same as player elected.

Who was the last elite player to go through team elected arbitration? Tkachuk when they were scared he was going to sign his QO and leave?

 

[Aoko]

Gotta be in that 8x8 area

If he wants to stay in a place he's happy in and allow them to be competitive, he'd better sign that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The issue you're ignoring is that if it does go to arbitration, and the Devils belittle his play to the point where the NHL arbitrator awards him the lowest possible amount - I doubt he signs in NJ.

The team basically argues that the player is not good enough to warrant his salary, and he doesn't deserve the money he wants. It's not good if you actually plan on signing the player.

Look at CBJ for example, they choose to qualify him instead of arbitrating him after his bad season - because they wanted to sign him long term in the future and not sour that relationship.

im not ignoring that. I am saying that Meier has lost some negotiating power with the QO is gone and that he isnt likely to want to go to arbitration because he only has money to lose in the process.

 

[eojsmada]

anything above 8.5 AAV and NJ could be an interesting place for the Cap, because Mercer eats any gain next year brings unless it's a 10M+ cap increase.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Arbitration gives the team more time to work out a deal.

 

[Torts]

He won't get more than Jack...the team has been adamant this is their hierarchy. Personally he didn't perform the way I would've expected (especially in the playoffs) but I honestly can't imagine how he gets anything more than the Bratt deal.

Edit: Arbitration on a one year deal and punt the decision to next offseason might be the play here.

 

[Forge]

He won't get more than Jack...the team has been adamant this is their hierarchy. Personally he didn't perform the way I would've expected (especially in the playoffs) but I honestly can't imagine how he gets anything more than the Bratt deal.

Edit: Arbitration on a one year deal and punt the decision to next offseason might be the play here.

He's a ufa next year. They aren't going to punt until next season

 

[eojsmada]

He won't get more than Jack...the team has been adamant this is their hierarchy. Personally he didn't perform the way I would've expected (especially in the playoffs) but I honestly can't imagine how he gets anything more than the Bratt deal.

Edit: Arbitration on a one year deal and punt the decision to next offseason might be the play here.

Hamilton makes more than Jack, though.

 

[Forge]

Hamilton makes more than Jack, though.

The also supposedly offered more to Johnny than they pay Jack.

They don't want to pay people more than Jack if they can help it, they will do it if they need to, I think

 

[Monsieur Verdoux]

He won't get more than Jack...the team has been adamant this is their hierarchy. Personally he didn't perform the way I would've expected (especially in the playoffs) but I honestly can't imagine how he gets anything more than the Bratt deal.

Edit: Arbitration on a one year deal and punt the decision to next offseason might be the play here.

Yeah, this rumour has shot down many times.

Meier probably gets a 8x8.5M deal.

 

[HockeyVirus]

This one feels like it could be a contract to really mess up the team. If he gets 9M+ not only would that piss off other players who took less, there is no guarantee he is a 9M player there with what he showed.

 

[VoidCreature]

Players file with arbitration with teams they sign long term with all the time. Timo likely would have filed for arbitration with us if he had been able, but we were the ones who had to make the call. It’s procedural.

 

[TGWL]

No I'm not.

I'm saying the Devils purposely imposed an early deadline on a player they wanted to sign, whether they sign him or not. That is not the sign of a team who thinks they can sign a player.

Can they still sign him? Sure. However, they now lowered their window to sign him by more than half.

No, if they offer him a qualifying offer and he accepts, they have to give him 10 million next season, and then work out a trade for the following 8 years or whatever is negotiated. If they bring him to arbitration and sign him prior to the awarded salary, they bought themselves more time. Do you think Timo was going to reject the 1 year qualifying offer of 10 million?

 

[eojsmada]

This one feels like it could be a contract to really mess up the team. If he gets 9M+ not only would that piss off other players who took less, there is no guarantee he is a 9M player there with what he showed.

I don't think the players care so much as folks like Mercer, Schmid, Luke Hughes, and Nemec will have very little money available to them when their contracts are ready to be negotiated.

 

[Divine]

No, if they offer him a qualifying offer and he accepts, they have to give him 10 million next season, and then work out a trade for the following 8 years or whatever is negotiated. If they bring him to arbitration and sign him prior to the awarded cap, they bought themselves more time. Do you think Timo was going to reject the 1 year qualifying offer?

That's my point though.

The Devils fans here are arguing that Meier and NJ both want to sign for 8 years and do not want a 1 year deal - so why are you scared of qualifying him then?

How can you argue that and at the same time, worry that he would sign his qualifying offer.

I don't personally believe that Meier was going to reject his qualifying offer, because I do not believe he has settled on 8 years in NJ.

However, if I did believe him and the team are rumoured to both want an 8 year extension, as some Devils fan suggest, then filing for arbitration makes no sense. It's counterproductive to your goal.

 

[TGWL]

That's my point though.

The Devils fans here are arguing that Meier and NJ both want to sign for 8 years and do not want a 1 year deal - so why are you scared of qualifying him then?

How can you argue that and at the same time, worry that he would sign his qualifying offer.

I don't personally believe that Meier was going to reject his qualifying offer, because I do not believe he has settled on 8 years in NJ.

However, if I did believe him and the team are rumoured to both want an 8 year extension, as some Devils fan suggest, then filing for arbitration makes no sense. It's counterproductive to your goal.

I think they're arguing 2 different things though. I think fans believe Timo wants a long term deal, not a 1 year deal, and would rather negotiate a contract. However, if a contract can't be agreed upon, Timo will likely take the 1 year, 10 million guarantee. It's the organization covering themselves.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I came here to read on the Meier situation and it's pages of Marino taking heat. You'd think Marino is Granlund level bad from the thread here.

 

[Divine]

I think they're arguing 2 different things though. I think fans believe Timo wants a long term deal, not a 1 year deal, and would rather negotiate a contract. However, if a contract can't be agreed upon, Timo will likely take the 1 year, 10 million guarantee. It's the organization covering themselves.

I don't think the maximum difference of 1.5M over 1 year is as significant as people here think it is. That's the price of a 4th liner.

They're protecting themselves to a maximum of 1.5M for 1 year. It's also possible he's awarded more than 8.5M - making the savings even less.

 

[RANDOMH3RO]

I came here to read on the Meier situation and it's pages of Marino taking heat. You'd think Marino is Granlund level bad from the thread here.

Clearly it’s more advantageous to use that cap space of Marinos to get petry to help waste the final years of Crosbys career missing the playoffs.

 

[TGWL]

I don't think the maximum difference of 1.5M over 1 year is as significant as people here think it is. That's the price of a 4th liner.

They're protecting themselves to a maximum of 1.5M for 1 year. It's also possible he's awarded more than 8.5M - making the savings even less.

It's not the money. It's the contract itself. An accepted qualify is giving Timo a 1 year contract. Trying to buy time with an arbitration isn't about the 1.5, it's about gaining more negotiation time.

 

[eojsmada]

I think they're arguing 2 different things though. I think fans believe Timo wants a long term deal, not a 1 year deal, and would rather negotiate a contract. However, if a contract can't be agreed upon, Timo will likely take the 1 year, 10 million guarantee. It's the organization covering themselves.

Can you qualify someone after electing arbitration? I'm honestly not sure

 

[Bcap88]

Yeah, I'm not buying the he wants an 8 year deal all of a sudden.

If he wanted an 8 year deal, the Devils wouldn't file for arbitration. Filing for arbitration basically gives you an early deadline - once the arbitrator announces his decision - you can no longer negotiate with that player other than to accept or decline the amount.

If you're scared he's going to accept his qualifying offer, then he doesn't want an 8 year deal in the first place.

I'm sure the Devils want an 8 year deal, and Meier will oblige if he get's paid enough - but not buying he wants to be there for 8 years.

This is some terrible logic

That's my point though.

The Devils fans here are arguing that Meier and NJ both want to sign for 8 years and do not want a 1 year deal - so why are you scared of qualifying him then?

How can you argue that and at the same time, worry that he would sign his qualifying offer.

I don't personally believe that Meier was going to reject his qualifying offer, because I do not believe he has settled on 8 years in NJ.

However, if I did believe him and the team are rumoured to both want an 8 year extension, as some Devils fan suggest, then filing for arbitration makes no sense. It's counterproductive to your goal

My man you need to look up leverage concepts