Get Draisaitl and McDavid some help

[WestCoast CyberG]

Was Ray Bourque a bad leader? Arguably the 2nd best D-man in history, and he didn't win a cup until he joined the Avs. Was it his shit leadership, or were his teams not good enough?

Actually thought of Bóurque as the counter argument, lol. Looking at the HOF list and all time scoring it is full of cup winners at the top. Seems these HOFrs could do more than just put up historic points.

There are few teams that go 4 rounds without good leadership.

Drai sounding like a petulant infant cause Silovs bested his team during post gm interviews shows poor leadership when he should have called his team out for their lack of finish.

 

[WestCoast CyberG]

Sure. Canucks won with all of Demko, De Smith and Silovs. But the Oilers only issue is goaltending.
It’s a combination of poor D and poor goaltending. Has been for years.

Edmonton had 3x as many giveaways and Vancouver laid out more hits and blocked way more shots (23-7).

Goaltending is just the obvious issue because the numbers are so bad.

Tochett is badly out coaching Knoblach.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Edmonton had 3x as many giveaways and Vancouver laid out more hits and blocked way more shots (23-7).

Goaltending is just the obvious issue because the numbers are so bad.

Tochett is badly out coaching Knoblach.

I don’t think it’s a coaching issue. Vancouver has a much more complete roster. No coach is going to fix bad goaltending and bad D.

 

[LuLover96]

They need another high-cap player, trade for Marner! Who needs depth, defence or goaltending!!!!

 

[Three On Zero]

The Oilers have a

• 86 pt defenseman making 3.9 mil.
• 50 goal scorer making 5.5 mil
• 67 point wing / center in RNH making 5.25 mil. He also had 100 pts last year.
• 41 point 3rd line winger in Foegele making 2.75 mil.

What depth exactly are you expecting?

Now do the players who don’t spend time with McDavid. Edmonton doesn’t have depth, they have players who play above where they should because they get time with McDavid

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

To bad we don't have a time machine. If only we could transport 09 kunitz and guerim for mcdavid and fedetenko and talbot for Drai. Then they would reek havoc

 

[TheNumber4]

It’s mainstream for a reason.

Bouchard can score, I’ll give you that. But he’s a shit defenseman. Totally lost when in the D-zone.

He’s a complimentary player that benefits from playing with very high end talent.

Hughes drives play.

Hughes gonna drive play anytime soon or? Meanwhile Bouch completely rock solid defensively as he’s been throughout the year and still putting up generational production.

 

[TheNumber4]

Once again Bouchard shows to be better than Hughes in a direct head to head matchup. Laugh like me now mains. Laugh like me now…..

And there’s this:

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[StoveTopStauffer]

Is playoff Draisaitl a generational talent? Guy hasn't been fully healthy for 2/3 of the last playoffs and still puts up ridiculous numbers.

 

[TheNumber4]

Is playoff Draisaitl a generational talent? Guy hasn't been fully healthy for 2/3 of the last playoffs and still puts up ridiculous numbers.

He is. And the stats back it up. He is one of the all time greats in the playoffs at this point.

 

[daver]

He is. And the stats back it up. He is one of the all time greats in the playoffs at this point.

Those stats need context. It is a much higher scoring environment in the last few years other times in the last 30 years.

And needs a at least a Cup final on his resume.

 

[ijuka]

Those stats need context. It is a much higher scoring environment in the last few years other times in the last 30 years.

Draisaitl is second all-time in playoffs PPG, only behind Gretzky. Ahead of Mario Lemieux, for example.

You might want to actually take a look at the scoring environment. Lemieux, for example, was playing during a higher-scoring era than Draisaitl overall, especially when we consider that the scoring has only been especially high for the past couple of years.

 

[BB79]

Picture Edmonton with a goalie on fire like Swayman. They'd be ridiculous to play against

 

[daver]

Draisaitl is second all-time in playoffs PPG, only behind Gretzky. Ahead of Mario Lemieux, for example.

You might want to actually take a look at the scoring environment. Lemieux, for example, was playing during a higher-scoring era than Draisaitl overall, especially when we consider that the scoring has only been especially high for the past couple of years.

It's debatable whether Draisaitl is the best playoff performer on his team or of his era let alone all-time. He is there with McDavid, Kucherov and MacKinnon. And of course you cannot ignore the McDavid factor. They are intertwined in production and their stats cannot be viewed in a vacuum.

I doubt many would take Draisaitl over a number of players with lower career PPGs.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It's debatable whether Draisaitl is the best playoff performer on his team or of his era let alone all-time. He is there with McDavid, Kucherov and MacKinnon. And of course you cannot ignore the McDavid factor. They are intertwined in production and their stats cannot be viewed in a vacuum.

I doubt many would take Draisaitl over a number of players with lower career PPGs.

Oh, is that so?

Crosby, Mackinnon, Kucherov, McDavid.

Who else do you have over Draisatl?

 

[daver]

Oh, is that so?

Crosby, Mackinnon, Kucherov, McDavid.

Who else do you have over Draisatl?

I didn't say I would take Mac or Kucherov over Draisaitl, I said it was debatable as opposed to the inference that his PPG puts him above everyone but Wayne.

Since you asked though, of the players since the Wayne/Mario era:

McDavid
Crosby
Malkin (debatable)
probably Jagr
Forsberg
Sakic

 

[Frank Drebin]

I didn't say I would take Mac or Kucherov over Draisaitl, I said it was debatable as opposed to the inference that his PPG puts him above everyone but Wayne.

Since you asked though, of the players since the Wayne/Mario era:

McDavid
Crosby
Malkin (debatable)
probably Jagr
Forsberg
Sakic

Pretty elite company. Not sure I'd disagree with any of those

 

[v00d00daddy]

Picture Edmonton with a goalie on fire like Swayman. They'd be ridiculous to play against

Picture Edmonton playing better even strength hockey to compensate their shitty goalie situation.

With the pp they have scoring isn’t an issue. Preventing goals is.

The biggest thing to help mcd and Drai is in their own hands.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Was Ray Bourque a bad leader? Arguably the 2nd best D-man in history, and he didn't win a cup until he joined the Avs. Was it his shit leadership, or were his teams not good enough?

Ray Bourque had the unenviable task of leading his team into the finals against the Oilers twice when they were in dynasty mode, immediately followed by having to face the Pittsburgh Penguins in the Conference Finals for two years. I don't blame Bourque's leadership for the Bruins inability to beat the Oilers or Penguins, as much as I blame the fact that they weren't the 1980's Oilers or early 1990's Penguins. The best their team was during that period, was when they were facing dynasties headed by generational players.

After that, his teams lost some depth, some of the key veterans started to slow down, and their best forward was completely derailed in his prime with injury. They just weren't a contender at this point.

 

[Romang67]

Well genius, wrong again. Crosby took less than league max, McMuffin didn’t. It’s that simple.

Do you actually not understand how cap hits and the salary cap works? I can send you links explaining it if you want.

I suspect that you actually understand how it works, because it's remarkably simple.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Well genius, wrong again. Crosby took less than league max, McMuffin didn’t. It’s that simple.

You don’t understand how the cap works, it’s okay, one day you’ll figure it out.

Neither of these players took the max, and crosby’s deal was a higher percentage of cap when signed

 

[2for1PizzaPastuh]

Well genius, wrong again. Crosby took less than league max, McMuffin didn’t. It’s that simple.

this post lmfao

 

[syz]

Picture Edmonton playing better even strength hockey to compensate their shitty goalie situation.

With the pp they have scoring isn’t an issue. Preventing goals is.

The biggest thing to help mcd and Drai is in their own hands.

Difficult to compare stats between the remaining teams since most teams have a different number of games played, but here's the Rangers since both they and the Oilers are at 9 games.

5 on 5 scoring chances against
Edmonton: 172
NYR: 209

5 on 5 high danger chances against
Edmonton: 74
NYR: 83

5 on 5 shots against
Edmonton: 186
NYR: 221

5 on 5 expected goals against
Edmonton: 17.13
NYR: 19.22

5 on 5 actual goals against
Edmonton: 20
NYR: 16

 

[TheNumber4]

I didn't say I would take Mac or Kucherov over Draisaitl, I said it was debatable as opposed to the inference that his PPG puts him above everyone but Wayne.

Since you asked though, of the players since the Wayne/Mario era:

McDavid
Crosby
Malkin (debatable)
probably Jagr
Forsberg
Sakic

Draisaitl in playoffs better than all those guys.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Well genius, wrong again. Crosby took less than league max, McMuffin didn’t. It’s that simple.

Yikes. That simple huh?