Get Draisaitl and McDavid some help

[daver]

Draisaitl in playoffs better than all those guys.

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

 

[TheNumber4]

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

Yes. And he does that. Game winning pass off his stick last night carrying his own line. Carried his own line through entire La series.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

He does carry his own line though?

McDrai was united for a couple of games when Leon got hurt but last game they were separated again.

PP is a different story but literally every superstar gets to play with their best teammates there.

 

[Pucklington]

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

Didn't watch the game last night? Bet you don't see many.

 

[GOilers88]

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

Draisaitl isn't a depth player, and he's been dominant all playoffs, on his own line except for a couple games where he was hurting.

The lack of depth isn't hurting the top six. The bottom six have contributed a whole lot of not much, and that's the issue.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Well genius, wrong again. Crosby took less than league max, McMuffin didn’t. It’s that simple.

The arrogance while being so incredibly incorrect is telling...

Sure. Canucks won with all of Demko, De Smith and Silovs. But the Oilers only issue is goaltending.
It’s a combination of poor D and poor goaltending. Has been for years.

Inconsistent D, sure. The team D has been pretty good for long stretches during the year - better than it has been before. The team D was pretty solid last night as well, just as it was in all of round 1. If the Oilers have rediscovered their formula on how to play D once again, the rest of the series could easily look like last night.

Then he should be able to carry his own line and create much needed depth for the Oilers. All time greats produce in all circumstances including ones where a teammate draws the defensive attention of their opponent.

He does. Just because he also gets time with McDavid, doesn't mean he doesn't run his own line as well.

 

[daver]

He does carry his own line though?

McDrai was united for a couple of games when Leon got hurt but last game they were separated again.

PP is a different story but literally every superstar gets to play with their best teammates there.

McDavid has been his most common linemate in the last four playoffs at ES.

Didn't watch the game last night? Bet you don't see many.

How about the three games before? Or the three playoffs before?

 

[CanadienShark]

This is the first time we've seen Knob ride McDrai like this honestly all season. They were vibing tonight though.

Oilers have some support for these guys including Bouch, Ekholm, Hyman, and several other role players like Kane and RNH. Team would benefit from another top 4 D, more consistent goaltending, and a couple more solid options in the bottom 6... But they're not nearly as McDrai riding as they have been previously.

Oh and if somehow Ceci and Nurse could find their mojo again, that would be great...

The child in me chuckled at the bolded.

 

[Fishy McScales]

McDavid has been his most common linemate in the last four playoffs at ES.

Sure but it's not like he hasn't demonstrated an ability to carry a line, including this post season which he is tearing apart.

 

[Pucklington]

McDavid has been his most common linemate in the last four playoffs at ES.



How about the three games before? Or the three playoffs before?

You can't be serious?

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Not buying it.

The Defense as collective allowed the least high danger shot from any team still alive
The Defense as collective allowed the least amount of shot from any team still alive

Bouchard have 15 pts
Hopkins 11
Hyman 11

The oilers registered so far 102 pts where 38 belong to Drai and McDavid
The oilers have 36 goals where 10 come from the duo.

(64pts) come from players outside the top 2,
Only Dallas with 65pts, Carolina with 77pts, and Florida 76pts have more production outside the top 2

(26 goals come form players not named Drai or McD
I cant compare to other team as McD is not top 2 in goal for Edmonton (a meager 2 goal)

All this feel pretty balance to me.



Remove horrible goaltending from the equation and that make the whole premise of the thread a bit meh

 

[theMajor]

Didn't watch the game last night? Bet you don't see many.

I dont want to knock Drai because hes a monster in the playoffs, but he absolutely does not carry his line 5v5. he's a powerplay merchant/wizard/whatever you want to call it...that is where he carries his team. with him down low on the PP, Edmonton has arguably the best first line PP ive seen in my life

 

[edog37]

Do you actually not understand how cap hits and the salary cap works? I can send you links explaining it if you want.

I suspect that you actually understand how it works, because it's remarkably simple.

Do you understand that when a player takes more, then there’s less to go around?

It’s very simple.

The arrogance while being so incredibly incorrect is telling...


Inconsistent D, sure. The team D has been pretty good for long stretches during the year - better than it has been before. The team D was pretty solid last night as well, just as it was in all of round 1. If the Oilers have rediscovered their formula on how to play D once again, the rest of the series could easily look like last night.


He does. Just because he also gets time with McDavid, doesn't mean he doesn't run his own line as well.

Numbers don’t lie.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Do you understand that when a player takes more, then there’s less to go around?

It’s very simple.


Numbers don’t lie.

They don't lie, but they sure can be manipulated.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Do you understand that when a player takes more, then there’s less to go around?

It’s very simple.


Numbers don’t lie.

Crosby's second contract took up 17.3% of the salary cap.

McDavid's second contract took up 16.67%.

Do I need to make it more simple for you?

At this point it looks like you're just being ignorant and trying to get a rise out of posters.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

McDavid has been his most common linemate in the last four playoffs at ES.

Do you think it might have something to do with the fact that they’ve had a rotating cast of wingers over the past four seasons? While McDavid and Draisaitl have been constants?

 

[daver]

Do you think it might have something to do with the fact that they’ve had a rotating cast of wingers over the past four seasons? While McDavid and Draisaitl have been constants?

Every single playoffs, McDavid is his most common linemate at ES. It means that more often than not, they are playing together at ES vs. centering their own separate lines. They cannot be consistently separated like Crosby/Malkin, Sakic/Forsberg, Yzerman/Federov etc....

McDrai are one of the great duos of all-time but they are not a two headed monster like Crosby and Malkin were that created much needed depth and matchup challenges for their opponents.

Since 2021, they do better in the regular season in keeping them separated (about 65% of the time they are separated vs. 52% of the time in the playoffs). Here are some stats:

McDavid has been in on 40% of Draisaitl's regular season ES points
Draisaitl has been in on 32% of McDavid's regular season ES points

McDavid's regular season plus/minus with Draisaitl on the ice is +83
McDavid's regular season plus/minus with Draisaitl not on the ice is +56

Draisaitl's regular season plus/minus with McDavid on the ice is +83
Draisaitl's regular season plus/minus with McDavid not on the ice is +27

COMMENT: Not a huge surprise that McDavid has a bigger influence on Draisaitl's ES production than Draisaitl on McDavid but Draisaitl has held his own at ES.

McDavid has been in on 58% of Draisaitl's playoff ES points
Draisaitl has been in on 61% of McDavid's playoff ES points

McDavid's playoff plus/minus with Draisaitl on the ice is +19
McDavid's playoff plus/minus with Draisaitl not on the ice is 0

Draisaitl's playoff plus/minus with McDavid on the ice is +19
Draisaitl's playoff plus/minus with McDavid not on the ice is -13

In 2022, Draisaitl's playoff plus/minus with McDavid on the ice is +16
Draisaitl's playoff plus/minus with McDavid not on the ice is -8


COMMENT: A not surprising increase in their ES point shares given they increase their TOI together in the playoffs. There is a clear indication that Draisaitl is significantly weaker at ES when McDavid is not on the ice with him. This is a weakness.

You could argue that McDavid's inability to generate positive offense at ES is also a weakness. Obviously his deadliness on the PP counters this but the combined efforts of McDrai to not produce at ES when not together makes them much more reliant on one line and on the PP.

They cannot seem to carry over their regular season ES efficiency to the playoffs.

 

[Over the volcano]

Best way to get Draisaitl some help is to send him to play for Boston.


Please

 

[Tillain]

I dont want to knock Drai because hes a monster in the playoffs, but he absolutely does not carry his line 5v5. he's a powerplay merchant/wizard/whatever you want to call it...that is where he carries his team. with him down low on the PP, Edmonton has arguably the best first line PP ive seen in my life

Who was carrying his line when he was out with Kane and Holloway for the game winning goal last game? He had the primary assist and a beauty pass to set up the winner.

Must have been Holloway driving the line though.

 

[theMajor]

Who was carrying his line when he was out with Kane and Holloway for the game winning goal last game? He had the primary assist and a beauty pass to set up the winner.

Must have been Holloway driving the line though.

"one shift does not a game make" - aristotle

 

[Tillain]

"one shift does not a game make" - aristotle

Sure made that game!

That's just one example too, there are MANY. He only plays with McDavid at ES about half the time but somehow leads all playoff scoring at ES? Hmm wonder how he does it.

 

[theMajor]

Sure made that game!

That's just one example too, there are MANY. He only plays with McDavid at ES about half the time but somehow leads all playoff scoring at ES? Hmm wonder how he does it.

he doesnt lead the playoffs in ES scoring, hes behind Boeser + Aho and tied with mittelstadt, tkachuck and rantanen

 

[Tillain]

he doesnt lead the playoffs in ES scoring, hes behind Boeser + Aho and tied with mittelstadt, tkachuck and rantanen

Sorry he's only 2nd, trailing 1st by 1 point. Obviously can't drive his own line.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Sorry he's only 2nd, trailing 1st by 1 point. Obviously can't drive his own line.

He sucks man, just accept it

 

[Romang67]

Do you understand that when a player takes more, then there’s less to go around?

It’s very simple.


Numbers don’t lie.

Yes, which is why I'm pointing to the cap hit as a percentage of the salary cap. Because that's what determines how much there is to go around.

Do you genuinely not understand this? It's not complicated. What is left "to go around" is the total salary cap minus the player's average annual salary. You seem to be struggling with this concept, and it's beyond me as to why.

Here is a link explaining the difference between total salary and average annual salary:

https://www.conductdetrimental.com/post/base-salary-cap-hit-aav-and-bonuses-what-s-the-deal

TLDR: "Average annual" means you take the total and divide it by the number of years.