Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[NyQuil]

My understanding is that the shoulder is TOO powerful now and risks injuring our own goalies.

 

[Dionysus]

Anyone realistically think he’ll get in at least one preseason game?

#2 and #3 Centers may not play any pre-season games. Not great for line chemistry when a fast start is so important.

 

[SensHulk]

lol Dorion would be proud of the spins on here

 

[Gil Gunderson]

lmao

 

[L'Aveuglette]

lmao

Dj and Pierre would see someone bleeding to death and call it a minor setback.

 

[Wondercarrot]

 

[SquidNasty]

lmao

2019: Shoulder surgery

2021-2022: missed over a month with shoulder issues

2022-2023: Injured it a few games into the season, tried to come back but blew it out again and got a second surgery

2023: Can’t make it through a few skates in training camp, rumblings of another needed surgery

I can’t believe we signed this guy to an 8X8 after shooting at an unsustainable % for one season. Pains me to say it but this might be an albatross contract if his shoulder is completely toast.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Pinto better be increasing his reps for being ready for preseason

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Pinto better be increasing his reps for being ready for preseason

I've heard that he's absolutely dominating a Jr.B team somewhere in New Jersey, so I'm sure he'll hit the ground running when the NHL season starts.

 

[Icelevel]

Can we swap pinto and norris’ salaries?
It’s only fair at this point.

 

[Flamingo]

Can we swap pinto and norris’ salaries?
It’s only fair at this point.

Norris can sub-contract Pinto.

 

[RealSpartan]

Fool me once…

The jig is up. Put him on LTIR and move on.

 

[Icelevel]

If he’s having set backs at this stage then the shoulder is fcked no sugar coating it.
Will need another surgery I’m guessing. Good night.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

In regular season games, is he allowed to wear a non-contact jersey?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pinto better be increasing his reps for being ready for preseason

Dorion increased his offer to 1.1 this morning

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well this sure puts a major damper on the excitement. God damn injuries euining all the fun.

 

[Icelevel]

The curse of andlauer. Bring the melnyk daughters back.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

2019: Shoulder surgery

2021-2022: missed over a month with shoulder issues

2022-2023: Injured it a few games into the season, tried to come back but blew it out again and got a second surgery

2023: Can’t make it through a few skates in training camp, rumblings of another needed surgery

I can’t believe we signed this guy to an 8X8 after shooting at an unsustainable % for one season. Pains me to say it but this might be an albatross contract if his shoulder is completely toast.

The contract was fine.

You always sign these young players to those contracts, so long as you get them without it being front-loaded and without signing bonuses. The buyout formula is extremely generous before the age of 26. These contracts end up working out more often than they don't.

A bridge deal would have been in the 5M-6M x 2-3 year range. With the benefit of hindsight, that would be preferable. At the time, 8x8 looked a lot smarter when you consider cap inflation. Soon, 8M will be 2nd line money.

If Norris is not hurt next year, but the Senators are concerned about his effectiveness, a buyout pretty much erases his cap hit completely for the next four seasons. The average cap hit over the first four years of his buyout would be 84k. After that, it's pretty much 1.5M a season. Keep in mind the actual money on the buyout doesn't kick in until 5 seasons from now so we're probably looking at 100-120 million as the cap ceiling if the world doesn't end.

I'm no doctor, but I'd guess if he goes back for another shoulder surgery his career is done, but who knows. That could mean he will be shut down for another year and he will have missed almost 2.5 seasons of hockey.

 

[Flamingo]

The curse of andlauer. Bring the melnyk daughters back.

10% stake, baby

 

[Liver King]

what a mess this camp has been with the Norris/Pinto situations

piss poor

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Well this sure puts a major damper on the excitement. God damn injuries euining all the fun.

The frustrating part is that while this couldn't be predicted, if you were to write down the risks this team had coming into this season, Josh Norris' health would have been in the top 2.

Knowing that, you'd think the priority would have been shoring up the position so the season doesn't get torpedoed, like it did last year.

Instead, Pinto is unsigned, we spent $5M on Tarasenko so we have zero flexibility, and it looks like we'll be starting the season with Greig in the #2 slot and Jarventie in the #3 slot. Two rookies, one of whom has only played C for ~15 games in the pros and has no idea how to take faceoffs.

We don't even have a Derick Brassard to fill in for a few games.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

what a mess this camp has been with the Norris/Pinto situations

piss poor

Both pretty avoidable by the organization too.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

The curse of andlauer. Bring the melnyk daughters back.

People around the CTC have reported to seeing Dorion rambling and talking to nobody when trying to execute trades or signings that raise the Senators spending. The running theory is that he is guided by Melnyk's ghost, similar to Dexter with his dead dad.

 

[Tap on the Ankle]

LTIR him and sign Pinto

 

[Silencio]

The curse of andlauer. Bring the melnyk daughters back.

What's Ottawa's version of the Shanaplan? StaiosChaos?