Nuge is becoming a problem, it's pretty unacceptable to go 20 games without an even strength goal playing with the guys that he plays with.
I completely agree with your latter statement. Nuge seems wasted on McDavid's line and will be so much more help to Draisaitl. The real engine on that line is the McDavid-Hyman connection, which makes RNH superfluous. When Draisaitl won the Ross, Lindsay, and Hart, RNH was on his line. Why not try to reignite that spark?Unfair to Draisaitl???
Saddled with leftovers???
It's part of being on a team. He gets lots of shifts with the best players. PP, after PK, end of periods, Late in games, etc...
Jeez these guys have been called dogshit, garbage and leftovers, scraps. That's probably what some would be calling Hyman if he wasn't with 97.
Honestly...Knob should move Hopkins to center Leo. Give McDavid one of Henrique, Foegele or Mcleod... I think it would make the top line better.
Okay...thats totally fair.I think he's referring to some of the terrible things that people say in the GDT. It's one thing to say a player is playing terribly (as Draisaitl did last evening), and this is totally fair. My issue is when a poster personally insults a player. GDTs are a place where a lot of "fans" cross the line into the latter territory. Calling Nurse brain dead, Skinner an idiot, etc. is an example of what makes these threads almost unreadable. And that's not even counting the adds on mobile HF.
Absolutely agree with you on that point.That's fair, but even that being said, Draisaitl's contributions far outweigh his blunders (notwithstanding last night). He's not immune from criticism but I think the hate is way out of proportion to what he brings to the table in terms of his net contributions.
Sorry but what? Fuhr, Cujo, Coffey, Pronger etc They don't get better. They don't get more elite than that.The Oilers are never going to have an elite D and goaltending. I don't think they ever did in their history really, the Oilers have been built from forward on down with a few exceptions so with this being the case, the Oilers need strength in numbers up front so when they're not getting contributions from support players there's always an incredible burden placed on two players to produce all the time. Their GA is actually pretty decent in the regular season but it seems to crater against playoff teams so they need the offense to outscore it and they just get enough from enough people.
Guys like Ryan and Janmark are such a tiny symptom of a much bigger issue and that is RNH, Kane and McLeod. You can't have a top line winger go scoreless for this long playing with generational talent. RNH pulls his "just sort of there" act way too often in a position where he should be scoring goals, he doesn't use the middle of the ice and he doesn't bear down on gifts from McDavid. Kane hasn't scored a goal since the Lincoln administration, you can't have a top 6/9 winger go absent for that long. McLeod provides nothing when not playing with Draisaitl this season, same with Foegele really.
You can have a 4th line that can't score as long as they're defensively sound and your 3rd line can score. The Oilers have a 3rd AND 4th line that can't score which isn't going to cut it come playoff time. They've kept GA down at a decent rate but you're not going to win many playoff series with them throwing up blanks on the scoresheet most of the time, depth is usually the decider in playoff series and the Oilers come up short in that regard even though they usually have the advantage with the top line.
The old and slow thing has been an issue all season as they've somehow found a way to get older and slower as the season has wore on but that's a whole other wall of text for another post
Ah I see. The older fans are the problem with the Oilers. Gotcha.
I suppose anyone over 50 should just be shuffled off to some enviro friendly gas chamber?
Interesting. I find it to be the younger crowd that think VD is better than he is.
Anyways I would rather have a bunch of loyal dinosaur fans than bandwagoners like the Canucks.
Thank you, I think!Interesting. I find it to be the younger crowd that think VD is better than he is.
Anyways I would rather have a bunch of loyal dinosaur fans than bandwagoners like the Canucks.
Nuge is becoming a problem, it's pretty unacceptable to go 20 games without an even strength goal playing with the guys that he plays with.
Thos post and your other just riddled with lack of knowledge about the team.Unfair to Draisaitl???
Saddled with leftovers???
It's part of being on a team. He gets lots of shifts with the best players. PP, after PK, end of periods, Late in games, etc...
Jeez these guys have been called dogshit, garbage and leftovers, scraps. That's probably what some would be calling Hyman if he wasn't with 97.
Honestly...Knob should move Hopkins to center Leo. Give McDavid one of Henrique, Foegele or Mcleod... I think it would make the top line better.
Nuge has basically the same 5v5 points per game as Brown over the last 30 games haha.Nuge is becoming a problem, it's pretty unacceptable to go 20 games without an even strength goal playing with the guys that he plays with.
Say it. Nuge made one backcheck strip weeks ago and people were talking about that one plays for several games. McDrai make several plays a night and people constantly questioning their leadership and play.Not to pick on you Arpeggio as my issue is more general, but this is a decent micro example of what I'm trying to get at @guymez. Nuge doesn't score an even strength goal for a full quarter season and he's 'becoming a problem.' Drai has a bad turnover in a game and multiple people in this very thread say they won't even be upset when he leaves.
A bad giveaway is a bad giveaway but certain players are picked on to a way more extreme degree than others and generally in the incorrect direction.
Same EV pts as Foegele on the season last time I checked. I'd like his defenders to tell me how thats even possible playing the majority of time with the best player in the world who is on a 100assist season heater.Nuge has basically the same 5v5 points per game as Brown over the last 30 games haha.
Well...I guess I should jump back in.Not to pick on you Arpeggio as my issue is more general, but this is a decent micro example of what I'm trying to get at @guymez. Nuge doesn't score an even strength goal for a full quarter season and he's 'becoming a problem.' Drai has a bad turnover in a game and multiple people in this very thread say they won't even be upset when he leaves.
A bad giveaway is a bad giveaway but certain players are picked on to a way more extreme degree than others and generally in the incorrect direction.
Well...I guess I should jump back in.
Your charactorization of Drais game last night is inaccurate.
Draisaitl didnt have 1 bad turnover....he had multiple turnovers. It was an abysmal game by him and he should be held to account. I am not going to diminishe the reality of his poor defensive game justy because he is an offensive superstar.
You can if you like...thats up to you.
Regarding RNH...he absolutely should be held to account for his goal scoring issues. Now just like I did with Brown this isnt one dimensional issue for me. So its a little different perspective than the Brown haters operate by. They never give the player credit for anything he does.
For me when a player is hustling and playing good defence then that should cut him some slack for the offensive drought. All players have scoring droughts...the players with less offensive ability than McDavid and Drai will obviously tend to have longer droughts. Thats to be expected.
If that player is trying to find his game after a serious injury (like Brown) then confidence is even more of a problem and that absolutely effects scoring.
So while they should be held to account I am not going to dismiss the rest of their game and just call them garbage like many posters on here seem inclined to do.
So in terms of my perspective on this I dont think that you can lump me in with the 'rage' posts that you emphasized earlier in this thread.
I see a lot more nuance in this...its not just an all ot nothing approach when it comes to criticism.
He isn't scoring on the PP either. 4 on the whole season. Another woof.Rnh has ZERO ES goals in SIX weeks
Woof
He has as many 5v5 goals as Ceci and as many 5v5 assists as Desharnais since the middle of February.Same EV pts as Foegele on the season last time I checked. I'd like his defenders to tell me how thats even possible playing the majority of time with the best player in the world who is on a 100assist season heater.
We have here a superstar that will have fed over 100 goals on the season, many of those EV. Nuge sitting there with 17G's my..
I guess Brown has helped out here in creating another bottom expectation here so others aren't embarrassed about such production.
Rnh has ZERO ES goals in SIX weeks
Woof
It seemed like that was the case but if I misinterpreted that then the misunderstanding falls entirely on me.I won't elaborate further on the actual topic as I don't think there is much more to present either way, but just on the bolded I don't believe I did this and If I did I definitely didn't intend to.
Cheers.
Dinosaur in this context doesn't even have anything to do with a person's physical age but I know you love to feel attacked over this so I'll leave it at that.
Every fanbase is better than Vancouver . Even Leafs fans are smarter and I'm not trolling with this comment.
I read it as the "haven't evolved their opinions on how to win a hockey game since the 1990s" part as the issue. Being a dinosaur isn't bad. Lots of you have evolved and see how the game has changed.Not sure how else to take a reference to dinosaur Oiler fans from the 90’s other than age but ya just pretend it didn’t. Why don’t you just own it instead of making up contextual excuses for accusing older Oiler fans of being the problem.
I read it as the "haven't evolved their opinions on how to win a hockey game since the 1990s" part as the issue. Being a dinosaur isn't bad. Lots of you have evolved and see how the game has changed.
I think he's just saying there's lots of dinosaurs around that still highly value those big, physical guys that can fight and that handle the puck like a grenade like it's still the 1990s.
Sorry I meant elite defense as a whole, elite defensively. They've had elite defensemen, of course.Sorry but what? Fuhr, Cujo, Coffey, Pronger etc They don't get better. They don't get more elite than that.
Agreed with the rest of your post but what a way to start it. hehe.
The reality of this team right now is its McD, Drai, Booch, Hyman, Ekholm. Thats the core that are involved.
Meanwhile lil Nugey has 3pts in last 10GP and hardly anybody says anything about it. he has 1 single EV pt in last 10 games. The guy hassn't scored an EV goal in over 6weeks. Kane hasn't scored a goal in months. I like your quote though.
I like Henrique though. An unsung 4 goals since being here outscoring all of Nuge, Kane, etc.