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[foshizzle]

Do you expect him to regain the starters role or at least be solid backup because a $5M inconsistent backup is a lot more dead space than a buyout. and even if he is decent its a lot to spend on a backup when there are other more pressing needs for that money.

I don’t know what he’ll be. What I do know is you have 97 and 29 as well as 2 that will need contracts- can’t have any dead cap space.

 

[Pavel10]

That's why I dont think they buy out Campbell this off-season.

signing Brown was a massive, massive mistake. "We lost to Vegas and our Defense was horrid. I know- let's sign Connor Brown"

Yup we're healthy scratching close to $9 million in cap space next year.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Thanks for the source, but since that source is Stauffer, I remain solidly unconvinced. It could 100% be true, it’s just that Stauffer just tows the company line, and sucks up to whomever is currently employed by the Oilers. He has nothing but contempt for people once they leave the org, the same people that he praised non-stop when they were with the team.

Coffey has openly gushed about the player. It seems obvious that he would have pitched his name.

Yup we're healthy scratching close to $9 million in cap space next year.

Campbell won’t be here.

 

[foshizzle]

Coffey has openly gushed about the player. It seems obvious that he would have pitched his name.


Campbell won’t be here.

Who is going to take on Campbell?

 

[OilerTyler]

Who is going to take on Campbell?

He'll be bought out

 

[foshizzle]

He'll be bought out

That would be terrible. You would dead cap for 6 years. Say you buy him out- you have 1.3M in dead cap this year (goes up next year and year after). 1.3M dead cap plus 1M for a cheap backup. That’s 2.3M. Keep him and if he struggles, send him to the farm. That’s 3.75M plus someone to back him up - 1M. So total 4.75M. You are only saving 2.45M this year. 1.45M next. Having 6 years of dead cap isn’t worth it.

 

[OilerTyler]

That would be terrible. You would dead cap for 6 years. Say you buy him out- you have 1.3M in dead cap this year (goes up next year and year after). 1.3M dead cap plus 1M for a cheap backup. That’s 2.3M. Keep him and if he struggles, send him to the farm. That’s 3.75M plus someone to back him up - 1M. So total 4.75M. You are only saving 2.45M this year. 1.45M next. Having 6 years of dead cap isn’t worth it.

Having a $5 million Campbell in the organization is worse than the dead cap penalty for the next three years. The $1.5 million penalty in years 4-6 of the buyout is pretty minor. Especially now that the cap is going to start increasing again.

 

[alphahelix]

the wiggle room next year might become necessary with the 3.25M overage going to Brown. They might not have a choice.

 

[TheNumber4]

Games starting so late we’re back to Campbell buyout talk.

 

[foshizzle]

Having a $5 million Campbell in the organization is worse than the dead cap penalty for the next three years. The $1.5 million penalty in years 4-6 of the buyout is pretty minor. Especially now that the cap is going to start increasing again.

Do years 4-6 matter when McDavid and Draisaitl are up at its highest? Like I said- you are only saving 2M new season and less in years 2-3. There would be nothing years 4-6. Don’t bug him out. Move him if possible- no buyouts

 

[OilerTyler]

Do years 4-6 matter when McDavid and Draisaitl are up at its highest? Like I said- you are only saving 2M new season and less in years 2-3. There would be nothing years 4-6. Don’t bug him out. Move him if possible- no buyouts

If we don't compete in the next couple years McDavid and Draisaitl might not be around for years 4-6 of the buyout. I'd rather prioritize being competitive while we are guaranteed to still have those two, especially since they are on cheaper deals right now.

Trading Campbell would be the best option but is anyone going to take him without sending a garbage contract back? Doubtful.

 

[Zerotonine]

With Bakersfield out did we recall anyone?

 

[McDoused]

With Bakersfield out did we recall anyone?

Campbell and Broberg

 

[K1984]

That would be terrible. You would dead cap for 6 years. Say you buy him out- you have 1.3M in dead cap this year (goes up next year and year after). 1.3M dead cap plus 1M for a cheap backup. That’s 2.3M. Keep him and if he struggles, send him to the farm. That’s 3.75M plus someone to back him up - 1M. So total 4.75M. You are only saving 2.45M this year. 1.45M next. Having 6 years of dead cap isn’t worth it.

You realize that Campbell on the team means $5M of dead cap right? Just because the player is still on the roster doesn't mean that space isn't dead.

It is completely illogical to carry around $5M of dead space (and a shitty goalie) at a time when we desperately need it in a compete window vs. an inconsequential penalty in an environment where the cap is going to escalate rapidly.

 

[backhandsauce]

Somehow dump Soup and bring in Talbot to be Skinners BU.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Fourier]

Lots of coaching jobs will be available it seems. Who gets Eakins??? Seems like a great fit for Seattle.

 

[foshizzle]

You realize that Campbell on the team means $5M of dead cap right? Just because the player is still on the roster doesn't mean that space isn't dead.

It is completely illogical to carry around $5M of dead space (and a shitty goalie) at a time when we desperately need it in a compete window vs. an inconsequential penalty in an environment where the cap is going to escalate rapidly.

No it doesn.t you can send him to the farm and it's 3.75M. Buy him out it's 1.5M. Not a huge difference. Next year it's 2.5M. You're adding dead space for 6 years.

 

[McOilers97]

No it doesn.t you can send him to the farm and it's 3.75M. Buy him out it's 1.5M. Not a huge difference. Next year it's 2.5M. You're adding dead space for 6 years.

$3.75m to not even play is AWFUL. $1.5m dead cap hit vs $3.75m buried is a massive difference. That $2.25m difference is 2 players to fill out the lower end of the roster with, that will ACTUALLY play for us.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

No it doesn.t you can send him to the farm and it's 3.75M. Buy him out it's 1.5M. Not a huge difference. Next year it's 2.5M. You're adding dead space for 6 years.

You absolutely buy him out, unless you can somehow trade him, without question. The dead cap isn't ideal, the guy being around is LESS ideal.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

You absolutely buy him out, unless you can somehow trade him, without question. The dead cap isn't ideal, the guy being around is LESS ideal.

Trade him and attach the picks needed for the Sharks to take on his full cap hit. Cap space is far more valuable than draft picks with 2 / 29 / 97 coming up in the next few years. Can’t afford a dime of dead cap.

 

[foshizzle]

$3.75m to not even play is AWFUL. $1.5m dead cap hit vs $3.75m buried is a massive difference. That's 2 players to fill out the lower end of the roster with, that will ACTUALLY play for us.

I did the math above. 3.75M buried. Will need someone to replace him- say 1M - that's 4.75M agreed? Now, but him out- that's 1.1M buy out for the first year + 1M for a back up-2.1M right? so in the lowest buyout year- he costs the team 2.1M on the buyout and 4.75M burying him. Year 2- his buyout is 2.3 + cost of back up (say 1M again)- thats 3.3M. Only 1M savings. Year 3- his buyout is 2.6M+ back up. 3 years in- you would be done with Campbell if you keep him- but still paying 1.5M for 3 more years for a buyout+back up- who will cost more now due ti increasing cap.

Doesn't make sense.

 

[McOilers97]

I did the math above. 3.75M buried. Will need someone to replace him- say 1M - that's 4.75M agreed? Now, but him out- that's 1.1M buy out for the first year + 1M for a back up-2.1M right? so in the lowest buyout year- he costs the team 2.1M on the buyout and 4.75M burying him. Year 2- his buyout is 2.3 + cost of back up (say 1M again)- thats 3.3M. Only 1M savings. Year 3- his buyout is 2.6M+ back up. 3 years in- you would be done with Campbell if you keep him- but still paying 1.5M for 3 more years for a buyout+back up- who will cost more now due ti increasing cap.

Doesn't make sense.

Why are you worrying about year 3+ of the buyout when we need to upgrade the team NOW? If the salary cap is $8m higher in 3 years and there's $2.6m dead cap on the books, so be it. It isn't ideal, but retaining Campbell makes upgrading the team basically impossible. Avoiding signing any more awful contracts in the next few years will make a far bigger difference than dealing with Campbell's dead cap from a buyout.

We have to make 29 and 97 want to stay, so the roster has to at least remain as good as it is now, if not upgraded in certain areas. Campbell buried at $3.75m + Brown's bonus is like $7m dead next year, instead of like $4.8m if a buyout is done. I know which option I prefer.

 

[K1984]

No it doesn.t you can send him to the farm and it's 3.75M. Buy him out it's 1.5M. Not a huge difference. Next year it's 2.5M. You're adding dead space for 6 years.

Ok. Also don't want $3.75 in a year where we have to sign Draisaitl, Bouchard and McDavid. It makes absolutely no sense. $2.25M is a lot of cap hit.

Trade him and attach the picks needed for the Sharks to take on his full cap hit. Cap space is far more valuable than draft picks with 2 / 29 / 97 coming up in the next few years. Can’t afford a dime of dead cap.

Those picks will be valuable when we're trying to load up at the deadline, but have our dicks in our hands because we were too afraid of an immaterial cap penalty.

 

[LTIR]

So we will have less than 10M to sign Desharnais, Broberg, Holloway and 5 other forwards.

I dont think we can retain Henrique or Foegele but Perry, Carrick ,Janmark, Brown and maybe Gagner for ~1M per would fill the roster.

This is assuming we go with Campbell\Skinner duo. A bit more flex room if we can get rid of Campbell contract or buy him out.