TSN: The Official Ottawa Sports Radio Thread - PART XII

[TheDebater]

As long as there is an NHL team in town, they stay.

I thought Vancouver and Winnipeg both lost their TSN radio stations? Or did they have multiple?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I thought Vancouver and Winnipeg both lost their TSN radio stations? Or did they have multiple?

True. But TSN1200 cut costs, and probably have a five year plan.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think that it will also depend a lot on the NHL rule changes. This year the NHL has been trying to curb cross checking. If they make further changes , then the game could become less physical 10, 20 or 30 years from now making it more possible for a woman to play in the NHL. Like I stated the female player might not be a dominant player, but could crack an NHL lineup in the future.

Have they curbed cross checking though? It seems like the rule has settled into cutting down only the most egregious variety. Much like fighting, the game is not really moving towards eliminating these things, more like reigning them back in to be part of the context of the game.

I don’t think we see women breaking into the NHL at any point, and really, it doesn’t do them a service in a general sense anyways. The focus needs to be on building a competitive women’s league, as has been the current push, so that more girls can play at a higher level, and the hockey can grow at then grassroots level.

Women’s hockey is much better served by fantastic games with women stars, and stable league play, than it would be with perhaps a token female player in the NHL playing down the line up.

I think women’s hockey is exciting in different ways, and like other dual sports it has room to grow in its own right. I’m sure there is enough room in our hearts to love the Sens as well as an Ottawa pro Women’s league team.

Just my two cents

 

[thinkwild]

We did have Manon Rheaume, but still, it does seem hard to imagine. I remember when Gordie Howe wanted to make a brief comeback in his 50’s to say he had played in the most decades. And some players, cant remember was it Roenick?, said they were going to be coming for him hard so if he isn’t 100% ready, best not to do it. And so he didnt. I can imagine there are women tougher than Mike Hoffman but they would get tested.

Would it be more likely basketball does it first? There are so many other sports I wonder about. I remember watching a mens and womens water ski jumping competition and wasn’t sure why they’d be split. Similar to curling. Or chess even weirder. Women’s golf maybe should be first, but as @Ice-Tray said, perhaps best to let the women's leagues develop. Or maybe a whole gender spectrum of leagues would start first.

 

[DrEasy]

We did have Manon Rheaume, but still, it does seem hard to imagine. I remember when Gordie Howe wanted to make a brief comeback in his 50’s to say he had played in the most decades. And some players, cant remember was it Roenick?, said they were going to be coming for him hard so if he isn’t 100% ready, best not to do it. And so he didnt. I can imagine there are women tougher than Mike Hoffman but they would get tested.

Would it be more likely basketball does it first? There are so many other sports I wonder about. I remember watching a mens and womens water ski jumping competition and wasn’t sure why they’d be split. Similar to curling. Or chess even weirder. Women’s golf maybe should be first, but as @Ice-Tray said, perhaps best to let the women's leagues develop. Or maybe a whole gender spectrum of leagues would start first.

Chess isn't necessarily split. Yes there are championships and tournaments for women, but women can, and have, played in tournaments with men. Most notably, Judit Polgar made it all the way to the top 10 chess rankings.

 

[Silky Johnson]

They lose to major midget AAA (16) years olds, they do win a few though.

Imagine what Team Canada Senior Mens with NHLers would do to those teams...

 

[Golden_Jet]

Imagine what Team Canada Senior Mens with NHLers would do to those teams...

Can say that about any sport though,

 

[Silky Johnson]

Can say that about any sport though,

Yes. That is the point no?

 

[Stylizer1]

Women are just slower in every sport. In the 100m woman are 1 second slower. 1 second is huge. Women golf play on shorter courses. The basketball is smaller, 3 point line is closer. Tennis is the best out of 3 not 5 like men. Danika Patrick made the jump to Nascar and was below average for the majority of her career

The athleticism is just too big an obstacle to over come.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Women are just slower in every sport. In the 100m woman are 1 second slower. 1 second is huge. Women golf play on shorter courses. The basketball is smaller, 3 point line is closer. Tennis is the best out of 3 not 5 like men. Danika Patrick made the jump to Nascar and was below average for the majority of her career

The athleticism is just too big an obstacle to over come.

Agreed with most but Danika did win an Indycar race.
Won the Pole at the Daytona 500.
One of 14 drivers to lead laps at the Daytona 500 and the Indianapolis 500.

 

[Stylizer1]

Agreed with most but Danika did win an Indycar race.
Won the Pole at the Daytona 500.
One of 14 drivers to lead laps at the Daytona 500 and the Indianapolis 500.

out of almost 200 races she won once. Lots of men never accomplished that so she does deserve credit. Highlight of her career probably. In the grand scheme of things makes history but not much else.

 

[Silencio]

The Nascar one doesn't make sense to me. A car is a car, it doesn't somehow go faster if it's a man driving.

 

[Golden_Jet]

out of almost 200 races she won once. Lots of men never accomplished that so she does deserve credit. Highlight of her career probably. In the grand scheme of things makes history but not much else.

One of 14 drivers ever to do something, is pretty good no.

 

[Stylizer1]

One of 14 drivers ever to do something, is pretty good no.

Sure, but I equate that record to Lebron surpassing Kobe Bryant for most points all time on Christmas day. It's one of those records that mean nothing but someone took the time to figure it out so it is at least factual.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Sure, but I equate that record to Lebron surpassing Kobe Bryant for most points all time on Christmas day. It's one of those records that mean nothing but someone took the time to figure it out so it is at least factual.

Good comparison, 2 MALE players playing in regular season game , vs the 2 biggest races each year in NA for the last century, and in 2 different race championships.

 

[Stylizer1]

Good comparison, 2 MALE players playing in regular season game , vs the 2 biggest races each year in NA for the last century, and in 2 different race championships.

The fact she led in the Indy 500 means jack shit is what I was trying to get across. That's a stat that is equivalent to scoring records on Christmas. You can find obscure records in every single sport.

 

[Golden_Jet]

The fact she led in the Indy 500 means jack shit is what I was trying to get across. That's a stat that is equivalent to scoring records on Christmas. You can find obscure records in every single sport.

Lol, which lady played in the NBA again, because that was topic.

 

[OD99]

i could see a big one timer and elite scoring on the PP - (like a Ovechkin finish but more in the mold of Mike Hoffman) help a female make it to the NHL. Not an insult to anyone but Mike Hoffman plays a game I think anyone who’s an adult could play. I mean that by not a ton of physical engagement, staying out of the corners but elite finish and scoring ability and speed. It’s not a question of if, just a question do when.

Sorry but this one lost me. You think there will be a woman who is such an elite scorer they will have her on the team as a PP specialist?

The comparison about Hoffman is also confusing...saying any adult could do what he does but then stating he has an elite shot, speed and scoring ability?

also it’s not a woman’s league because we could have female GM’s, HC’s and executive and owners. You’ll see a lot more of this and we’ll soon see female refs, female assistant on the bench and eventually once that happens you’ll see more opportunities for woman at all positions in the NHL. For sure there is a woman out there who could at least GM a team to last place finishes for 5 years, or do what Many recent head coaches in Ottawa have done

This I 100% support and believe as well. I think the NHL has some females in management (the Habs apparently have 3 females on their list?) and I am sure there are some on training staff, etc...but when you look at some other pro sports they are lagging behind and I hope they start getting some females in front offices.

 

[OD99]

I'm not sure how meaningful this really is, the Phillies lost to a div 2 college team, in basketball the dream team lost to a college all Star team in a scrimmage, both are cases of objectively significantly superior teams losing, it happens in part because the better team either underestimates the opposition or simply does not have the same motivation to win. Nothing is really on the line in exhibition games.

Pretty sure you know these comparisons aren't remotely close.

Even if I wanted to push this and state it is still essentially men VS older men in the case of the Women's National team they aren't playing for fun, they are playing those kids to get better and face the best competition they are able to face outside of the US Women's team.

The point about no contact is spot on as well - add the physical element and the game changes significantly in favour of the males.

This isn't an argument I really want to be a part of anyway as however much I want women to succeed in anything they wish to pursue and be better represented in society I will come across as some sexist pig.

 

[Stylizer1]

Pretty sure you know these comparisons aren't remotely close.

Even if I wanted to push this and state it is still essentially men VS older men in the case of the Women's National team they aren't playing for fun, they are playing those kids to get better and face the best competition they are able to face outside of the US Women's team.

The point about no contact is spot on as well - add the physical element and the game changes significantly in favour of the males.

This isn't an argument I really want to be a part of anyway as however much I want women to succeed in anything they wish to pursue and be better represented in society I will come across as some sexist pig.

even if the took out physical play women wouldnt be able to keep up.

 

[Senovision]

Coyne Schofield, blond ponytail flying, crossed the line in 14.346. She wouldn't win. The title would go to Edmonton Oilers center Connor McDavid for the third consecutive year, at 13.378, but she finished less than a second slower than the fastest player in the NHL.
She could keep up. She skates as fast as many NHL players. She has short strides she is only 5'2.
If she was 6'1 with longer strides, the contest would be very close.
Time will tell.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Coyne Schofield, blond ponytail flying, crossed the line in 14.346. She wouldn't win. The title would go to Edmonton Oilers center Connor McDavid for the third consecutive year, at 13.378, but she finished less than a second slower than the fastest player in the NHL.
She could keep up. She skates as fast as many NHL players. She has short strides she is only 5'2.
If she was 6'1 with longer strides, the contest would be very close.
Time will tell.

She isn’t 6’1 with longer strides though. I mean, imagine McDavid was 7’1 with longer strides?!? That’s not exactly how things work.

She is 5’2 and around 125lbs. Now try imagining battling for a puck in an NHL game? Trying to skate around a defender coming in with a hip check?

Come on now, it sounds like you’re trying to get people injuries here.

 

[Beech]

The Nascar one doesn't make sense to me. A car is a car, it doesn't somehow go faster if it's a man driving.

They took elite athletes and had them drive NASCAR vehicles. Many could not take the G forces, the heat (temperature), the vibrations/shock and the stress (mental focus component). F1 and Indy cars generate enough G-force that it is on par with a supersonic plane. You need to hear Eric Thomas on Raceline Radio talk about it (Montreal's TSN 690 carries his show, he also does hit on Melnyk's show Friday at 4 pm or so)

And so the stronger and more able an individual is, the greater speed they can maintain, the sharpness of their maneuvering, the rapid acceleration/deceleration and so on. Danica Patrick was impressive. Just being able to keep up is impressive.

But, so far, she is more or less the only one. The Indy series, and Champ/Cart before it has had several women. All failed to make an impact. NASCAR has had several drivers as well. Again, only Patrick has moved the needle.

I cannot recall if F1 has had any. The W series uses cars that are closer to F3 and lap times tend to be slower. The amount of mishaps are significantly higher than F3 and the overall performance is much weaker than F2. The danger of a deadly crash will almost surely prohibit a female F1 driver. Even if the motivation is pandering or publicity stunt. Her mishap may not kill her, but could kill another driver and I struggle to see it being allowed. Indy and NASCAR are far more interested in money (their revenues are peanuts in comparison with F1),so any stunt is a good stunt. When there was a buzz to get Patrick to F1. Bernie Ecclestone more or less laughed right in everyone's face. No driver came to her defense.

Indy and NASCAR is on par with the ECHL/AHL. Few drivers have moved from Indy to F1 since the early 1970's. Virtually no NASCAR driver has ever made that move. Many F1 drivers come "down" to Indy. Some like Pueblo Montoya went from F1 to NASCAR.

 

[Beech]

I'm not sure how meaningful this really is, the Phillies lost to a div 2 college team, in basketball the dream team lost to a college all Star team in a scrimmage, both are cases of objectively significantly superior teams losing, it happens in part because the better team either underestimates the opposition or simply does not have the same motivation to win. Nothing is really on the line in exhibition games.

Apples to oranges.

The women's national team has Canada's supposed best 22-23 players. Many are in their mid 20's. AAA teams may have 1-2 junior prospects, the rest will have their hockey career end at seasons' end. And at 15-16, they are on average 10 years younger. And no contact, thus these players must struggle to adjust, their instincts would be to body check. Their game is predicated on separating the player from the puck. Given the male/female issues as it relates to sport, who is more motivated to show the other up. The women or boys? I would venture a guess the women.

The dream team had J0rdan sit on the bench. The NCAA players were stars, aged 20-22, many would become high drafts picks in April of the next year and many would become stars over the coming years.

NCAA div II, is still made up of 20-22 year olds. It is was the #2 ranked team and the Phillies probably played a chunk of their triple A players. The gap is not as extreme.

Tell me the women's team lost to our U20 national team, tell me they lost to the U18, tell me they lost with body checking. Tell me they lost to an ECHL all start team, a U sport all star team, an OHL, WHL, QMJHL team or all star team and I would be exceptionally impressed. BTW, similar results are unusually seen on the soccer side. The defending World cup champs, the American women, routinely loss to 15 year old boys. There is no body checking in soccer!!!

At the moment, women sports plateaus at a level best described as ECHL relative to the NHL. And that is in a few select sports. In most sports, women are roughly midget AA to midget AAA relative to the NHL. It is best to always see them against each other, so we have no reference. Any mixing will only highlight the difference.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Aren’t the Canadian women soccer world champs?!?