ATD 2020 Assassination Thread - Jim Coleman Conference ONLY

Namba 17

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Coach: Mike Babcock

Graves-Trottier (A)-Neely
Bentley-Bentley-Mosienko
Prospal-Stamkos-Wharram
Pavelich-Poulin (A)-Keane
JParise/GMurray (51 ES VsX)

Vasko-Pilote (C)
Ramsey-Ozolinsh
Hartsburg-Persson
Turnbull

Price
Moran

PP1:
Trottier (23)
Stamkos (34) - Neely (20) - Ozolinsh (25)
Persson(24)​

PP2: D.Bentley,M.Bentley,Wharram(21),Hartsburg(25),Pilote (24)
PK1: Pavelich, Poulin(50), Vasko(53), Pilote(47)
PK2: Keane(35),Graves(27), Ramsey(49), Persson(30)

Graves-Trottier (A)-Neely 9/10 I can live with Trottier and Neely and see what Graves brings here, but Graves is still not good enough for 1st line duties.
Bentley-Bentley-Mosienko 10/10. That's, probably, the highest scoring 2nd line of the whole draft.
Prospal-Stamkos-Wharram 8/10. Prospal is not good enough player and playmaker to drive two scoring players. Also, this line is too bad defensively and in corners
Pavelich-Poulin (A)-Keane 10/10

Vasko-Pilote 9/10
Ramsey-Ozolinsh 10/10
Hartsburg-Persson 9.5/10 I'd, probably, like to see more defensive D next to Hartsburg

Price/Moran 8/10 Price was great, but for too short of a time. His backup isn't the best either.

PP 10/10

PK1 10/10
PK2 9/10​
 
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Namba 17

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By not good enough, what do you mean by that? Overall talent level, offensive prowess, intangibles?
Not good enough scoring threat to me.
Your team lack at least one quality finisher. So far your best scoring threat on the second line is Simon Gagne who is average goal-scorer (only 4 finishes with >30 goals) but also very unstable/injury prone. Cleghorn can be secondary scoring threat on the 2nd line, but I wouldn't trust him as the main finisher. It's not that bad, I gave your second line 9/10, which is not awful to me.
 

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Camille Henry - David Krejci - Bobby Schmautz
Glenn Resch

Spares
Walt Buswell, D
Jaroslav Jirik, LW/RW
Buddy O'Connor, C
Dean Prentice - Jonathan Toews "C" - Gordie Howe 9.5/10 Either Toews or Prentice on the 1st line.
Anatoli Firsov - Dave Keon "A" - Bernie Morris 10/10
Jack Marshall - Jason Spezza - Vladimir Tarasenko 9.5/10 This line can be better defensively
Camille Henry - David Krejci - Bobby Schmautz 9.5/10 See above

Wade Redden - Drew Doughty 9/10
Kevin Lowe "A" - Brent Burns 10/10
Keith Yandle - Jack Portland 9.5/10

Johnny Bower/Glenn Resch 9/10

PP1 9.5/10 Morris?
PP2 9.5 Redden?

PK1 10/10
PK2 9/10
 
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Dean Prentice - Jonathan Toews "C" - Gordie Howe 9.5/10 Either Toews or Prentice on the 1st line.
Anatoli Firsov - Dave Keon "A" - Bernie Morris 10/10
Jack Marshall - Jason Spezza - Vladimir Tarasenko 9.5/10 This line can be better defensively
Camille Henry - David Krejci - Bobby Schmautz 9.5/10 See above

Wade Redden - Drew Doughty 9/10
Kevin Lowe "A" - Brent Burns 10/10
Keith Yandle - Jack Portland 9.5/10

Johnny Bower/Glenn Resch 9/10

PP1 9.5/10 Morris?
PP2 9.5 Redden?

PK1 10/10
PK2 9/10

Thanks for the review.

I decided to build a roster where my top lines could go head to head in a shut-down and score capacity. The third line is not a traditional checking line, so of course they will be weaker defensively than most other third lines.

Prentice could be a weak link in my top 6. I would have to look at all the other top-6 wingers, but I think he’s quite solidly a second line talent. In some situations, Firsov would take his place.

Morris is actually pretty good offensively. Off the top of my head, I have him with a 7 season vs.X score of like 86. That puts him in the mix with guys like Stastny, Hawerchuk, Savard, etc. As far as I know, he’s an offence only player.
 

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I grabbed my geeky old RPG-polyhedra and randomly generated a team to review- and the dice landed on...
Salt Lake Golden Eagles
Scoring lines:
Patrick Marleau - Adam Oates (A) - Bernie Geoffrion
John Tonelli - Mats Sundin (C) - Jarome Iginla
Looks like a 1/1a setup. Experienced readers know I'm a big fan of Iginla, and think he's waywayway under-rated. He's luxury casting on the second-line of a 40-team league. One thing I DID notice, though- both Cs and RWs are R-handed shots. Kind of interesting...

Bottom six:

Jack Adams - Rick MacLeish - Ken Hodge
Dennis Hull - Craig MacTavish - Jamie Langenbrunner
Now, just as I consider the top-6 to be 1/1a, the bottom six kind of feel like 2b/c & 4a. And Rick MacLeish on a Tikhonov-coached team... maybe it's overstating to say "match-made-in-Hell," but it feels like a thing to me. More on this later. Last line should give you what Tikhonov wants.

First pairing:
Moose Johnson - Red Kelly (A)
Previously praised as the ne plus ultra of pairings- I'm not quite as quick to make that conclusion. [As the co-GM of this team knows, I'm a pretty big enthusiast of "Orr+don't-botch-laterality"] Still, Kelly's widely admired, frequently figures on highly successful ATD-teams, and he (and Johnson) should be able to play mondo-minutes... more than are indicated on the chart, I'd assert.

Second pairing:
Leo Reise, Jr. - Alex Pietrangelo
And this is out-of-the-box, too. A two LHD first-pairing (not uncommon) and a 2 RHD second-pairing. As players, suitable for the roles assigned to them. Would like to hear more about the thinking behind the fit, though...

3rd pairing:

George McNamara - Howard McNamara
These guys don't really need to play a lot of minutes, do they?

Goaltending:
Gump Worsley
Al Rollins
No way to sugar-coat this- they're average, at best. I'd even say below average in a 40-team league. Question is, how much does that matter? In these few paragraphs, I make the point that it doesn't matter as much as others might think. If this is the toll-booth we pass through to get a second scoring line that's worth the same as a lot of teams' first scoring lines, I'd say it's worth the fee. I don't think it'll make-or-break your regular-season.

Leadership:

Coach: Viktor Tikhonov

Captain: Mats Sundin
Alternate: Adam Oates
Alternate: Red Kelly
Tikhonov- a fine schemes coach, a strong whiteboard coach... but a manager of disparate personalities? And no Assistant Coach to buffer?! Captain Sundin will be key to arranging for the buy-in. I'll listen to the case that he's up to it- but I don't think that's a sale that can be closed sight-unseen. I'll freely grant that it would be hard for him to ask for better Assistants than Kelly & Oates.

Special Teams

I need sunglasses to shade myself from the star-power of PP1... but there's that thing again-- four RH-shots on a five-man unit. Other Units seem no worse than capable- and balanced.


Wrap-up impressions- hard for me not to love the top two lines. You'll have a belovèd top-pairing. Team will be in game-shape and come ready-to-play all-the-time as long as Tikhonov hangs onto the room. I'll stay tuned to see how it all works out.

Good on you for putting your roster out there. [There are still experienced GMs who haven't. I mean, WTF already?!] Good luck to you.
 
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Coach: Peter Laviolette
Busher Jackson- Doug Gilmour (C)- Charlie Conacher
Roy Conacher- Doug Weight (A)- Bruce Stuart
Sid Smith- Ralph Backstrom- Leo Labine
Ryan Walter (A)- Todd Marchant- Brian Rolston
Craig Janney-Mickey Redmond

Jan Suchy-Chris Chelios (A)
Jim Neilson- Joe Hall
Dallas Smith- Seth Jones
Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Rogie Vachon
Tuukka Rask

PP1: Jackson-Gilmour- Conacher- Conacher- Suchy
PP2: Smith- Weight- Stuart- Hall- Rolston

PK1: Marchant-Backstrom- Smith- Chelios
PK2: Gilmour- Rolston- Neilson- Suchy
 

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Coach: Jacques Martin


Ilya Kovalchuk - Milt Schmidt (C) - Marian Hossa
Rick Martin - Gilbert Perreault - Pat Verbeek
Pavol Demitra - Butch Goring (A) - Justin Williams
Scott Hartnell - Alexei Yashin - Martin Havlat

Jeff Carter
Dave Gagner

Scott Niedermayer (A) - Teppo Numminen
Roman Hamrlik - Ed Jovanovski
Chris Phillips - Roman Josi

Alexei Zhitnik

Dominik Hasek
Mike Richter

PP1: Kovalchuk - Perreault - Hossa

Niedermayer - Josi

PP2: Martin - Yashin - Verbeek

Jovanovski - Hamrlik


PK1: Schmidt - Hossa

Niedermayer - Numminen

PK2: Goring - Demitra

Phillips - Hamrlik​
 

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Thanks to both @ChiTownPhilly and @Namba 17 for the reviews!

Our first two-lines are very much a 1a and 1b setup, although that 1st line will be the preferred choice if we are down and need a goal late. But Tikhonov has been known to roll his lines and I think he will have trust in both of these top lines to provide offense.

Oates is a premiere playmaker, one whom we can assume Boom Boom will LOVE as a linemate. Marleau is a big body who provides solid two-way play and is a speedy presence with a natural touch around the net. He can battle for rebounds and is known to have top notch hand-eye coordination.

Sundin and Iginla were a pair that Van and I were very happy to put together on that 2nd line. Both are skilled in puck possession with the ability to cycle down low and we view them as having the potential to be pretty difficult to contain. Add John Tonelli who is a tenacious battler for the puck and was described as being incredible in the corners: more often than not he won his battles. As a trio we view them as difficult to contain and having as much offensive ability to compete with any other 2nd line in this draft.

Since the Golden Eagles are a “high flying” offensive style club for the most part, we wanted our 3rd line to be able to provide some nice secondary offence to compliment our top 6. Jack Adams we feel is a very solid glue guy and physical presence with some nice offensive ability as well. Rick MacLeish is a two-way center who is very responsible defensively while also having solid offensive instincts. He consistently produced in the playoffs and scores some clutch goals in championship runs. He was known to do whatever was asked by his coach. I don’t foresee a problem with Tikhonov whatsoever. He was an underrated playmaker as well, which brings us to his other linemate..Ken Hodge. Ken had an excellent shot and we see his offensive abilities on a 3rd line as being up there with the better options on a 3rd line in the draft. When drafting Hodge, we wanted to make sure to provide him with solid offensive linemates and we feel we did so with MacLeish and Adams. And Geoffrion, Iginla and Hodge are a pretty nice 1-2-3 punch down the right side, in our view.

The 4th line will obviously provide some solid defensive play, and Dennis Hull has a cannon for a shot which is a nice weapon to have on a 4th line.

Red Kelly and Moose Johnson. Van and I are in love with that pairing and we hope many can see how potentially great that unit can be. I’ve added another *estimated* minute at even strength for them to now play approximately 24 minutes per game. To us, they may be the best pairing in the draft (or top 3 at least) and will both be relied on heavily to provide stability and both solid offense and defense.

Reise Jr and Pietrangelo are both very solid and that’s what we were looking for on our 2nd pairing. Together, the trio bring 3 2nd-team all-star selections to the table. Leo was tough as nails and defensively a very tough match up for forwards. Pietrangelo brings solid defensive play and nice offensive ability. We like that pair a lot.

The McNamara brothers, Van and I reunited them because we just thought it would be damn cool haha. The duo has to be among the most physical pairing in the draft and they can provide some solid defense at that. They’ll obviously play less of a role than the other 4, but they still bring something to the table and will play their roles fine. We don’t expect much in terms of offense from them we’ll put it that way.

In regards to special teams, our 1st PP we feel can compete with any in this draft and will obviously be our primary weapon on the man-advantage. The 2nd unit can fill in and do some work and hopefully pot a few, but it’s not a secret that the 1st unit is the main weapon. I’m not sure anyone else’s point can rival Kelly and Geoffrion.

The PK took some heat initially and understandably so, but we feel that we certainly improved it by adding Oates to the 2nd unit and drafting a specialist in Craig MacTavish. So he, Langenbrunner, Oates and MacLeish (with Tonelli filling in if need be) are solid in our minds. And Alex Pietrangelo is possibly the best penalty killer of his generation. I guess as a whole, our PK is not up there with the best in the draft, but they can do their jobs when needed. And we don’t view Salt Lake as having a style of play that will lead to many penalties anyways. So we don’t foresee them having to kill a lot of penalties.

Gump and Rollins are probably “average” in a 40 team ATD but we think they can do the job. Looking at our division we don’t see Gump as a big noticeable step down to Bower and Broda. Not so much as to lose us games based on goaltending anyways.

I grabbed my geeky old RPG-polyhedra and randomly generated a team to review- and the dice landed on...
Scoring lines:
Looks like a 1/1a setup. Experienced readers know I'm a big fan of Iginla, and think he's waywayway under-rated. He's luxury casting on the second-line of a 40-team league. One thing I DID notice, though- both Cs and RWs are R-handed shots. Kind of interesting...

Bottom six:

Now, just as I consider the top-6 to be 1/1a, the bottom six kind of feel like 2b/c & 4a. And Rick MacLeish on a Tikhonov-coached team... maybe it's overstating to say "match-made-in-Hell," but it feels like a thing to me. More on this later. Last line should give you what Tikhonov wants.


First pairing:
Previously praised as the ne plus ultra of pairings- I'm not quite as quick to make that conclusion. [As the co-GM of this team knows, I'm a pretty big enthusiast of "Orr+don't-botch-laterality"] Still, Kelly's widely admired, frequently figures on highly successful ATD-teams, and he (and Johnson) should be able to play mondo-minutes... more than are indicated on the chart, I'd assert.

Second pairing:
And this is out-of-the-box, too. A two LHD first-pairing (not uncommon) and a 2 RHD second-pairing. As players, suitable for the roles assigned to them. Would like to hear more about the thinking behind the fit, though...

3rd pairing:
These guys don't really need to play a lot of minutes, do they?


Goaltending:
No way to sugar-coat this- they're average, at best. I'd even say below average in a 40-team league. Question is, how much does that matter? In these few paragraphs, I make the point that it doesn't matter as much as others might think. If this is the toll-booth we pass through to get a second scoring line that's worth the same as a lot of teams' first scoring lines, I'd say it's worth the fee. I don't think it'll make-or-break your regular-season.

Leadership:


Tikhonov- a fine schemes coach, a strong whiteboard coach... but a manager of disparate personalities? And no Assistant Coach to buffer?! Captain Sundin will be key to arranging for the buy-in. I'll listen to the case that he's up to it- but I don't think that's a sale that can be closed sight-unseen. I'll freely grant that it would be hard for him to ask for better Assistants than Kelly & Oates.

Special Teams

I need sunglasses to shade myself from the star-power of PP1... but there's that thing again-- four RH-shots on a five-man unit. Other Units seem no worse than capable- and balanced.


Wrap-up impressions- hard for me not to love the top two lines. You'll have a belovèd top-pairing. Team will be in game-shape and come ready-to-play all-the-time as long as Tikhonov hangs onto the room. I'll stay tuned to see how it all works out.

Good on you for putting your roster out there. [There are still experienced GMs who haven't. I mean, WTF already?!] Good luck to you.
 
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Gump Worsley, Turk Broda, Billy Smith, Grant Fuhr, Johnny Bower,... these guys are not "average" they are RELIABLE ABOVE AVERAGE in any size draft. They came through in the clutch, again, again and again.
 

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Gump Worsley, Turk Broda, Billy Smith, Grant Fuhr, Johnny Bower,... these guys are not "average" they are RELIABLE ABOVE AVERAGE in any size draft. They came through in the clutch, again, again and again.
On one hand, no, the average goaltender in any size draft is going to change quite a bit. Any of those guys would be the worst goalie by a fair margin in a 4-team draft, on the fringe of an 8 team draft, a backup in a 12 or 16 team draft, and worse than the median starter in a 20 team draft.
On the other hand, I think the distribution of goaltending talent and the effect it has on teams doesn't look like a bell curve most of the time. Every season in the NHL I can remember has had about a third of the teams running out goalies who could steal games, most of the rest would be considered stable, a few very shaky and only one or two actively in the process of killing their own careers. So if the 25th-best goalie in a 30-team league is starting the majority of games and not usually the reason a team wins or loses, that matches what most mean when they say "average". Broda's definitely better than that...the others are sort of trending in that direction to varying degrees.
 

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St. John's IceCaps

Coach:
Alain Vigneault
Captain: Maurice Richard
Alternate: Serge Savard
Alternate: Dunc Munro

Dick Duff - Elmer Lach - Maurice "Rocket" Richard
Mats Naslund - Pete Mahovlich - Gordie Drillon
Don Marshall - Bobby Smith - Trevor Linden
Georges Mantha - Red Berenson - Johnny Gagnon
Daniel Briere, Paul Ronty

Serge Savard - Sylvio Mantha
Sergei Gonchar - Terry Harper
Dunc Munro - Carol Vadnais
Lyle Odelein

Tony Esposito
Andy Moog

Powerplay 1:
Gordie Drillon
Mats Naslund - Elmer Lach - Maurice Richard
Sergei Gonchar

Powerplay 2:
Pete Mahovlich
Johnny Gagnon - Bobby Smith
Serge Savard - Carol Vadnais

Penalty Kill 1:
Serge Savard - Don Marshall
Sylvio Mantha - Terry Harper

Penalty Kill 2:
Pete Mahovlich - Red Berenson
Dunc Munro - Carol Vadnais
PLAYERESPPPKTOT
Richard155020
Lach155020
Duff150015
Drillon125017
Mahovlich122317
Naslund125017
Marshall120416
Smith122014
Linden120012
Berenson70310
Gagnon7209
Mantha7007
Savard182424
Mantha180422
Gonchar155020
Harper150419
Vadnais132318
Munro130316
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 

VanIslander

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The idea of "average" is misleading...

1. The arithmetic mean is the middle ranked guy;

2. The average goalie is nothing special, certainly not capable of backstopping FOUR (4) Stanley Cup championships!!!!
 

Johnny Engine

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The idea of "average" is misleading...

1. The arithmetic mean is the middle ranked guy;

2. The average goalie is nothing special, certainly not capable of backstopping FOUR (4) Stanley Cup championships!!!!
1. Nope, that's median. Finding the mean would require quantifying their abilities, and whether the mean and median line up might vary.
2. Come on now, you know we're talking about the ATD here. Unless your point is that we should rank all goalie by the number of Stanley Cups they've won, it has little bearing on a league with 40 starters, and even less for a smaller ATD.
 

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New York Americans
Coach: Peter Laviolette
Busher Jackson- Doug Gilmour (C)- Charlie Conacher
Roy Conacher- Doug Weight (A)- Bruce Stuart
Sid Smith- Ralph Backstrom- Leo Labine
Ryan Walter (A)- Todd Marchant- Brian Rolston
Craig Janney-Mickey Redmond

Jan Suchy-Chris Chelios (A)
Jim Neilson- Joe Hall
Dallas Smith- Seth Jones
Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Rogie Vachon
Tuukka Rask

PP1: Jackson-Gilmour- Conacher- Conacher- Suchy
PP2: Smith- Weight- Stuart- Hall- Rolston

PK1: Marchant-Backstrom- Smith- Chelios
PK2: Gilmour- Rolston- Neilson- Suchy
Busher Jackson- Doug Gilmour (C)- Charlie Conacher 10/10. And another my favorite
Roy Conacher- Doug Weight (A)- Bruce Stuart 9.5/10 A little less defense than I'd like. Conacher - Weight at the 2nd line is just great
Sid Smith- Ralph Backstrom- Leo Labine 9/10 With Smith you'd like to have smb with better shot
Ryan Walter (A)- Todd Marchant- Brian Rolston 9/10. Isn't Rolston LW/C?

Jan Suchy-Chris Chelios 9.5/10 Both were RD
Jim Neilson- Joe Hall 9.5-10/10
Dallas Smith- Seth Jones 9.5/10

Rogie Vachon/Tuukka Rask 9/10

PP1 10/10
PP2 8.5/10

PK1 9/10
PK2 8.5/10 Suchy??
 

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Brampton Beavers

Coach: Jacques Martin
Ilya Kovalchuk - Milt Schmidt (C) - Marian Hossa
Rick Martin - Gilbert Perreault - Pat Verbeek
Pavol Demitra - Butch Goring (A) - Justin Williams
Scott Hartnell - Alexei Yashin - Martin Havlat

Jeff Carter
Dave Gagner

Scott Niedermayer (A) - Teppo Numminen
Roman Hamrlik - Ed Jovanovski
Chris Phillips - Roman Josi

Alexei Zhitnik

Dominik Hasek
Mike Richter

PP1: Kovalchuk - Perreault - Hossa

Niedermayer - Josi

PP2: Martin - Yashin - Verbeek

Jovanovski - Hamrlik


PK1: Schmidt - Hossa

Niedermayer - Numminen

PK2: Goring - Demitra

Phillips - Hamrlik​
Ilya Kovalchuk - Milt Schmidt (C) - Marian Hossa 10/10
Rick Martin - Gilbert Perreault - Pat Verbeek 9.5-10/10 Defense is questionable, but passable here
Pavol Demitra - Butch Goring (A) - Justin Williams 9.5/10
Scott Hartnell - Alexei Yashin - Martin Havlat 9/10

Scott Niedermayer (A) - Teppo Numminen 8.5/10 Numminen is, probably, the weakest #2 on this draft and Niedermayer is far from the best #1D.
Roman Hamrlik - Ed Jovanovski 8.5/10
Chris Phillips - Roman Josi 9/10 Josi is LD

Dominik Hasek/Mike Richter 10/10

PP1 10/10
PP2 9.5/10

PK1 9/10
PK2 9/10​
 

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St. John's IceCaps

Coach:
Alain Vigneault
Captain: Maurice Richard
Alternate: Serge Savard
Alternate: Dunc Munro

Dick Duff - Elmer Lach - Maurice "Rocket" Richard
Mats Naslund - Pete Mahovlich - Gordie Drillon
Don Marshall - Bobby Smith - Trevor Linden
Georges Mantha - Red Berenson - Johnny Gagnon
Daniel Briere, Paul Ronty

Serge Savard - Sylvio Mantha
Sergei Gonchar - Terry Harper
Dunc Munro - Carol Vadnais
Lyle Odelein

Tony Esposito
Andy Moog

Powerplay 1:
Gordie Drillon
Mats Naslund - Elmer Lach - Maurice Richard
Sergei Gonchar

Powerplay 2:
Pete Mahovlich
Johnny Gagnon - Bobby Smith
Serge Savard - Carol Vadnais

Penalty Kill 1:
Serge Savard - Don Marshall
Sylvio Mantha - Terry Harper

Penalty Kill 2:
Pete Mahovlich - Red Berenson
Dunc Munro - Carol Vadnais

Dick Duff - Elmer Lach - Maurice "Rocket" Richard 9.5/10 Duff is not good enough for the 1st line.
Mats Naslund - Pete Mahovlich - Gordie Drillon 9.5/10 Mats and Pete are a little weak here. I like how the line is constructed.
Don Marshall - Bobby Smith - Trevor Linden 9/10 Not the best defense, not the best offence. But good in general.
Georges Mantha - Red Berenson - Johnny Gagnon 9.5/10

Serge Savard - Sylvio Mantha 9-9.5/10
Sergei Gonchar - Terry Harper 9.5/10 Both were RD
Dunc Munro - Carol Vadnais 10/10

Tony Esposito/Andy Moog 9/10

PP1 9.5/10 I don't like Mats as 1st PP option
PP2 9/10

PK1 9.5/10 Savard as F is an interesting idea. They did play like this, right?
PK2 9.5/10​
 

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Ted Lindsay (C) --- Nicklas Backstrom --- Babe Dye 9.5/10. With Dye shot I'd like to see smb better in front of the net and smb quicker than Backstrom as his C. Also, Nick is below average C for the 1st line. But nothing of this is critical. Good line.
Alex Delvecchio (A) --- Tommy Dunderdale --- Shane Doan 8.5/10 Nobody will score, both Dunderdale and Doan are below average 2nd line players.
Ray Whitney --- Ken Mosdell --- Terry O'Reilly 9/10 Whitney is a little lost here - he has noone to pass. I like Mosdell - O'Reilly combo.
Don Maloney --- Mikko Koivu --- Dmitri Khristich 9/10

Ebbie Goodfellow (A) --- Bill White 9.5/10
Lloyd Cook --- Cy Wentworth 9.5/10
Jay Bouwmeester --- Bingo Kampman 8.5/10

Martin Brodeur/Gerry Cheevers 10/10

PP1 9.5/10
PP2 7/10

PK1 9.5/10
PK2 8.5/10​

Uh for my second line what do you mean no one will score?

Dunderdale is a goal scoring center, that's why he is paired with Delvecchio
 

Namba 17

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Uh for my second line what do you mean no one will score?

Dunderdale is a goal scoring center, that's why he is paired with Delvecchio
Off course, I didn't mean that your 2nd line won't score a goal literary. But what I meant is that Dunderdale is not good enough goalscorer to be the main goalscoring threat for the 2nd line on ATD.
And, off course, it's my opinion only.
 

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Coach: Tommy Gorman

Syd Howe - Anze Kopitar (A) - Mike Bossy
Alex Tanguay - Ryan Getzlaf (A) - Larry Aurie
Patrick Sharp - Red Sullivan - John MacLean
Brenden Morrow - Brian Skrudland - Ryan Callahan


Lionel Conacher - King Clancy (C)
Rod Seiling - John Carlson
Joe Watson - Adrian Aucoin


Tom Barrasso
John Ross Roach

Spares: Viktor Shalimov (RW), Kevin Bieksa (D), Morgan Rielly (D)

PP1
Howe - Getzlaf - Bossy
Carlson - Clancy

PP2
Tanguay - Kopitar - MacLean
Aucoin - Sharp

PK1
Kopitar - Skrudland
Seiling - Conacher

PK2
Sullivan - Aurie
Watson - Clancy/Carlson

Extra PK F: Callahan, Sharp, Howe (also can play D)
This team plays a heavy forechecking system with strong forecheckers abundant throughout the lineup. Most of the time the 1st line will go power vs. power.

Estimated Ice Time
Forwards
PlayerESPPPKTotal
S. Howe13417
A. Kopitar142420
M. Bossy14519
A. Tanguay12315
R. Getzlaf13518
L. Aurie13316
P. Sharp10313
R. Sullivan11314
J. MacLean10212
B. Morrow1111
B. Skrudland8412
R. Callahan99
TOTAL1382414176
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Defense
PlayerESPPPKTotal
L. Conacher18422
K. Clancy184224
R. Seiling16420
J. Carlson164121
J. Watson12315
A. Aucoin12315
TOTAL921114117
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 

Namba 17

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Coach: Tommy Gorman

Syd Howe - Anze Kopitar (A) - Mike Bossy
Alex Tanguay - Ryan Getzlaf (A) - Larry Aurie
Patrick Sharp - Red Sullivan - John MacLean
Brenden Morrow - Brian Skrudland - Ryan Callahan


Lionel Conacher - King Clancy (C)
Rod Seiling - John Carlson
Joe Watson - Adrian Aucoin


Tom Barrasso
John Ross Roach

Spares: Viktor Shalimov (RW), Kevin Bieksa (D), Morgan Rielly (D)

PP1
Howe - Getzlaf - Bossy
Carlson - Clancy

PP2
Tanguay - Kopitar - MacLean
Aucoin - Sharp

PK1
Kopitar - Skrudland
Seiling - Conacher

PK2
Sullivan - Aurie
Watson - Clancy/Carlson

Extra PK F: Callahan, Sharp, Howe (also can play D)
This team plays a heavy forechecking system with strong forecheckers abundant throughout the lineup. Most of the time the 1st line will go power vs. power.
Syd Howe - Anze Kopitar (A) - Mike Bossy 10/10
Alex Tanguay - Ryan Getzlaf (A) - Larry Aurie 9/10 Two very good playmakers and Aurie, who cant't be #1 finisher.
Patrick Sharp - Red Sullivan - John MacLean 9.5/10
Brenden Morrow - Brian Skrudland - Ryan Callahan 9/10

Lionel Conacher - King Clancy (C) 10/10
Rod Seiling - John Carlson 9/10
Joe Watson - Adrian Aucoin 9.5/10

Tom Barrasso/John Ross Roach 9/10

PP1 10/10
PP2 9/10

PK1 9.5/10
PK2 9.5/10​
 

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Lionel Conacher - King Clancy 10/10
Rod Seiling - John Carlson 9/10
Joe Watson - Adrian Aucoin 9.5/10
A perfect 1st pairing? A great 2nd pairing and awesome 3rd?

I don't get it. Please explain.

And the 1st has been pimped not as stategically used but "power on power" with Kopitar at 1st c (wasn't a top40 drafted c AND question marks at how early he was drafted) and Syd on lw? And you gave 10/10?

Now, if you give out such great scores like tony d candy, then everyone should objectively expect it.

But i still don't get it.
 
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A perfect 1st pairing? A great 2nd pairing and awesome 3rd?

I don't get it. Please explain.

And the 1st has been pimped not as stategically used but "power on power" with Kopitar at 1st c (wasn't a top40 drafted c AND question marks at how early he was drafted) and Syd on lw? And you gave 10/10?

Now, if you give out such great scores like tony d candy, then everyone should objectively expect it.

But i still don't get it.
Namba's assassinations seem to be using a scale that sets replacement level at around 8.5 or 9, which I personally wouldn't do, but once you've read even a few of his assassinations, they make enough sense in their own context.
 
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Hawkey Town 18

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A perfect 1st pairing? A great 2nd pairing and awesome 3rd?

I don't get it. Please explain.

And the 1st has been pimped not as stategically used but "power on power" with Kopitar at 1st c (wasn't a top40 drafted c AND question marks at how early he was drafted) and Syd on lw? And you gave 10/10?

Now, if you give out such great scores like tony d candy, then everyone should objectively expect it.

But i still don't get it.

What’s your issue with Syd Howe as a 1st line LW?
 

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