Here's a good one- Does Sergei Bobrovsky get into the Hall of Fame?

[AndreRoy]

…and Vasilevsky each only have 1.

Lightning players always get screwed by the hockey establishment when it comes to individual awards. Vasy has only one Vezina (“number one bullshit!”), Hedman has only one Norris, and Ben Bishop was the best goalie in the league for a few years and walked away with nothing.

 

[Conbon]

I think at this point it comes down to the next two rounds whether he gets in or not. What a weird career, 2 dominant Vezina seasons and possibly a cup run but outside of that it's ass.

 

[Harvey Birdman]

If he is the goalie to deliver the first cup to a franchise I would bet he gets in due to that footnote. If not I think he ends up in the hall of very good.

 

[Voight]

Lightning players always get screwed by the hockey establishment when it comes to individual awards. Vasy has only one Vezina (“number one bullshit!”), Hedman has only one Norris, and Ben Bishop was the best goalie in the league for a few years and walked away with nothing.

Bishop was solid in TB but this is stretching it.

 

[abo9]

Lightning players always get screwed by the hockey establishment when it comes to individual awards. Vasy has only one Vezina (“number one bullshit!”), Hedman has only one Norris, and Ben Bishop was the best goalie in the league for a few years and walked away with nothing.

Idk if you're serious or not, but which other year did Vasilevskiy deserve the Vezina?

Ironically, it's probably Ben Bishop who got screwed that year due to the overwhelming impact of wins on that trophy.

 

[Voight]

Gotta give Bob respect for the PR 180 hes done.

Went from being a guy who fans were lobbying to be bough out/figuring out the best way to get rid of him to now being somewhat of a folk hero in Sunrise.



You're back on the case.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I think it really speaks to the Boom-or-Bust nature of the Goaltender position. If a forward has 2 Award setting seasons, a few more good ones and then some others where they just put up some points but are a below average top six player, people shrug their shoulders that they're just not as good as they used to, but they have enough high-end seasons that they are a HOF lock. Being a "below average" starting goaltender gets you treated like you're the biggest waste of space in the world.

I think at this point it comes down to the next two rounds whether he gets in or not. What a weird career, 2 dominant Vezina seasons and possibly a cup run but outside of that it's ass.

This being a prime example. He has 7 seasons on his resume where he was Top 10 in the NHL in wins for a goaltender. Even if they weren't remarkable seasons, that is far from "ass" in being all but 2 seasons.

 

[QJL]

Why don’t we revisit this question in about 4 weeks?

 

[WatchfulElm]

If peak was the only criteria, José Théodore would be in too. One of the few goalie with a Hart trophy. But I think consistency matters more.

With a stellar end of career and with a Stanley cup this year, there could be an argument for Bob. But as of now, the answer is no.

 

[Buck Naked]

He was a .921 with over 80 GSAA and a 213-130 W/L record with two Vezinas and two AS1 during his seven seasons with the Jackets. Yeah, that guy should go in.

 

[ProjectPanthers]

I think he gets in, two Vezinas is pretty huge.

But, Tim Thomas has two Vezinas and is not in. Thomas has more hardware. Shorter career.

Ya but that's not Bob's fault. Thomas by all accounts should definitely be in the Hall of Fame.

They should both be in the hall when it's all said and done. Two incredible goalies who dominated their leagues at times. I don't know what other criteria for goaltenders you need.

If the Cats win a cup I think Bob is a lock but hockey politics are weird.

 

[wetcoast]

He was a .921 with over 80 GSAA and a 213-130 W/L record with two Vezinas and two AS1 during his seven seasons with the Jackets. Yeah, that guy should go in.

He was also tied for 17th in playoff wins over that time with a .908 Save% so that's not going to help matters.

 

[nabby12]

If Bob wins the Cup this year and the Conn Smythe (which he will get if Florida wins), he's in.

 

[MoeBartoli]

It all comes down to this:

Do you believe Lundqvist deserves to be in the Hall? If yes, then so does Bobrovsky.

If you think that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve to be in the Hall, then neither does Lundqvist.

If Bob had played for the Rangers, there's no doubt he’d be in. If the Panthers win the Cup this year, he’s a lock. And if they don’t I still think he gets in.

 

[Buck Naked]

He was also tied for 17th in playoff wins over that time with a .908 Save% so that's not going to help matters.

It was Columbus, not every goalie is Hasek. You consistently seem to forget that this is a team game and that single players very seldom can change the outcome of an entire season or series for team.

I wonder where Luongo sits in terms of playoff wins in his career. 14th in that span, FYI. Two wins ahead of Martin Jones.

 

[lakeshirts37]

It all comes down to this:

Do you believe Lundqvist deserves to be in the Hall? If yes, then so does Bobrovsky.

If you think that Bobrovsky doesn't deserve to be in the Hall, then neither does Lundqvist.

horrible comparison. Lundqvist is the complete opposite of Bob. consistently great for pretty much his entire career.

 

[Bleedred]

If he wins the cup this year then that just might do it for him.

I actually think there’s a better chance of him winning the cup (and potentially Conn Smythe) than winning another Vezina.

 

[wetcoast]

It was Columbus, not every goalie is Hasek. You consistently seem to forget that this is a team game and that single players very seldom can change the outcome of an entire season or series for team.

I wonder where Luongo sits in terms of playoff wins in his career. 14th in that span, FYI. Two wins ahead of Martin Jones.

I'm not a huge fan of Lou but he played long enough and well enough on some good teams to make the HHOF.

The thing is that you say "it was Columbus" for the regular season then somehow it's different for the playoffs?

He most certainly wasn't in any serious HHOF trajectory before this seasons and even a huge SC run probably doesn't change that does it?

 

[Buck Naked]

I'm not a huge fan of Lou but he played long enough and well enough on some good teams to make the HHOF.

The thing is that you say "it was Columbus" for the regular season then somehow it's different for the playoffs?

He most certainly wasn't in any serious HHOF trajectory before this seasons and even a huge SC run probably doesn't change that does it?

Yup, Lou was a compiler.

I'm saying it was always Columbus. It was a shitty team that he dragged to any sort of success they had during these years. No one player, other than perhaps Hasek, can drag his team to success all the way through the regular season and the playoffs.

I've been on the Bob for HHOF train since he left Columbus and I only think this playoff run solidifies his place there. His individual success is far greater than most goalies who played in the NHL in the last 15 years. During his seven years with the Jackets he was the best goalie in the league. Very few other goalies can ever make that claim for more than a year or two.

 

[majormajor]

I think at this point it comes down to the next two rounds whether he gets in or not. What a weird career, 2 dominant Vezina seasons and possibly a cup run but outside of that it's ass.

Wow are you off. He averaged over .920 as a Blue Jacket, one of the best in the league for many years.

The thing is that you say "it was Columbus" for the regular season then somehow it's different for the playoffs?

Bob faced the top offenses in the league in every playoff (the literal cup winner most of the time).

He most certainly wasn't in any serious HHOF trajectory before this seasons and even a huge SC run probably doesn't change that does it?

That says more about your ignorance. If he was a Hab we'd be having Bob to the Hall discussions five years ago.

 

[wetcoast]

Yup, Lou was a compiler.

I'm saying it was always Columbus. It was a shitty team that he dragged to any sort of success they had during these years. No one player, other than perhaps Hasek, can drag his team to success all the way through the regular season and the playoffs.

I've been on the Bob for HHOF train since he left Columbus and I only think this playoff run solidifies his place there. His individual success is far greater than most goalies who played in the NHL in the last 15 years. During his seven years with the Jackets he was the best goalie in the league. Very few other goalies can ever make that claim for more than a year or two.

I will admit that goalies are the hardest to grade and I generally leave it to the goalie experts but Bob had 2 years where he was the top goalie 5 years apart along with a 2 meh years and 3 good ones so it's a real mixed bag and in the same time period there are other guys where an onlooker would have taken other goalies other him like Price, Rask and Lundqvist over him and the top guy in wins Holtby probably isn't even a top 5 goalie in that time period.

His career is a real mixed bag to say the least.

 

[Dread Clawz]

I will admit that goalies are the hardest to grade and I generally leave it to the goalie experts but Bob had 2 years where he was the top goalie 5 years apart along with a 2 meh years and 3 good ones so it's a real mixed bag and in the same time period there are other guys where an onlooker would have taken other goalies other him like Price, Rask and Lundqvist over him and the top guy in wins Holtby probably isn't even a top 5 goalie in that time period.

His career is a real mixed bag to say the least.

If he leads Panthers to the Cup, he's in.

2 Vezinas
1 Cup, 1 Conn Smythe
He'll easily retire with over 400 wins
Well liked across the league(no issues like Tim Thomas)

 

[NVious]

He is an easy lock
2 vezinas
2 of the greatest upsets in NHL history

That should be enough.

 

[wetcoast]

If he leads Panthers to the Cup, he's in.

2 Vezinas
1 Cup, 1 Conn Smythe
He'll easily retire with over 400 wins
Well liked across the league(no issues like Tim Thomas)

For sure his argument would be greatly enhanced by a Conn Smythe.

 

[LT]

That's correct, but I said a "Vezina or two". And the other goalies seem to have another year where they were close to the Vezina, and maybe even were a 2nd team all-star. Bobrovsky's story isn't fully written yet, so we'll see with him, but there just isn't a lot of goalies in this century that people consider HHOF worthy. I think most agree Luongo deserved it, I am pretty sure everyone is on board with Lundqvist and that leaves Price who most seem to like and Fleury who has a variety of responses his way. Other than those 4 guys, there isn't that goalie that seems to get the nod to get in. We all know Vasi gets in eventually but he's younger and has much of his career still ahead of him.

There is a major difference between one Vezina and two.