Post-Game Talk: Skinner just had his Grant Fuhr moment

[Drivesaitl]

Shows how little corsi means and how important it is to watch the actual game.

Those numbers look pretty much fictional.

 

[alanschu]

I imagine Drai's line was facing off against King's top line?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Might have already been posted in here as I haven't read the whole thread, but I'll be that guy and post the red flags from this win.

5v5 Corsi by forward Lines:

Henrique - McDavid - Hyman -4
Kane - Draisaitl - RNH -17
Foegele - McLeod Perry -1

Defense Pairings:

Ekholm - Bouchard -6
Nurse - Ceci -30
Kulak - Desharnais -2

Some combinations very clearly weren't working.

That’s pretty ugly but Corsi alone is lame. If LA mindlessly throws pucks towards the net all game when you are out there you are not going to have a great Corsi. Especially with the Oilers tendency to over pass for the perfect goal.

 

[Slats432]

Now put them away in 5 to get some R&R in the ice bath!

 

[bone]

Skinner defiinitely looked uncomfortable in Game 1 to my eye. Most of the L.A. goals were bad bounces but Skinner looked sloppy in that game IMO. He looks a lot more composed in Games 3 and 4 on the road.

For Game 1, I think his 5-10 minute segment to start the second period has been too easily forgotten, and this is coming from one of his biggest critics about Game 2.

Game 1, 2nd period Edmonton's up 2-0 but LA came out really hard and controlled a lot of the play. Eventually they got a turnover which became a breakaway that Skinner saved. 20 seconds (or less) later Hyman scores to make it 3-0. Huge save. Shortly after the 3-0 goal, Hyman takes an undisciplined penalty giving LA one more chance at life as history is full of teams coughing up 3-0 leads and a play like that could have been the momentum.

Now, the PKers did a decent job on that specific PK, but Skinner was also good at absorbing any shot on net allowing the players to reset with a faceoff. Eventually they complete the kill and go up 4-0 shortly thereafter.

Last year's Skinner or Game 2 Skinner doesn't hold them off through that 10 minute stretch, but he did that game and Edmonton goes up 4-0 allowing a lot of room to absorb any future mistakes or lucky bounces in that game. which were bountiful in the end.

 

[foshizzle]

Maybe if the criticism was fair or even mildly observant you would have a point. But you don’t, so sit down. I see the Skinner trashers are allowed wild over reactions but when it goes not in their favour, it’s all stop saying things I don’t like. Laughable.

lol, who are you to say Skinner critics don't have a valid argument? I didn't know you were the decider of all debates.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Rivals assumes that the Flames are competitive with anybody. Patsies, more like it. Flames are only competing with the word obscurity.

lol that they can't even cheer for Toffoli because he's not doing anything. Or tanev, or Zadorov, or...

Their defense was always overrated. I would've been worried had they actually sold Markstrom but Murray Edwards is a shitbag.

 

[oXo Cube]

I imagine Drai's line was facing off against King's top line?

Mostly against Danault and Moore actually, though the line was -5 in shot attempt differential in only 3.5 minutes against Kopitar. Nurse - Ceci got torched against everyone and as you can probably infer there was significant TOI overlap.

To be fair to the fowards Draisaitl had 80% of the corsi and 100% of the shots when he wasn't playing with the Nurse - Ceci pair.

That’s pretty ugly but Corsi alone is lame. If LA mindlessly throws pucks towards the net all game when you are out there you are not going to have a great Corsi. Especially with the Oilers tendency to over pass for the perfect goal.

I don't really have any issue with this post I was more interested in pointing out that the narrative of the Oilers spending the entire game in their own zone was only true when some certain combinations with a prior history of not working were on the ice together.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Mostly against Danault and Moore actually, though the line was -5 in shot attempt differential in only 3.5 minutes against Kopitar. Nurse - Ceci got torched against everyone and as you can probably infer there was significant TOI overlap.

To be fair to the fowards Draisaitl had 80% of the corsi and 100% of the shots when he wasn't playing with the Nurse - Ceci pair.

Yep. These numbers also so subject to limited one game data, limited by where zone starts are and situational factors in game including even score effects.

 

[Mav3rick07]

And just like that, Skinner has a .919 save percentage in this years playoffs.

 

[McDoused]

Liking all these posts like:

 

[Drivesaitl]

A series vs LA Kings and Will Feral sightings over two home games only 1/6hrs. Great success!


hahaha

he didn't even have face paint on. he was as prepared for this series as the Kings were.

Kings scored only 1G in two home games in series and had nothing on PP. Not much cheering going on. Do kings even have a goal song anymore?

 

[TheNumber4]

It's mostly just that one idiot though. He fights on every Oilers thread like his life depends on it.

Divine?

But yeh, there’s like barely any leaf’s fans left on the main boards. Their numbers have dwindled over the years. Guess it too embarrassing to come out of the shadows.

 

[oXo Cube]

Also as an aside I don't even care if the Kings were outplaying the Oilers at 5 on 5(they aren't), if you have a 0% PP and a 46% PK you ain't winning a damn thing.

They're lucky to still be playing.

 

[alanschu]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

Hard to beat experience and I feel he has learned a lot in the past year.

 

[LTIR]

I imagine Drai's line was facing off against King's top line?

Or maybe that line or the whole team was not focused on taking shots on net but just getting the puck in deep.
Corsi is all about shots on goal differential and this game was much more than that.

 

[K1984]

A series vs LA Kings and Will Feral sightings over two home games only 1/6hrs. Great success!


hahaha

he didn't even have face paint on. he was as prepared for this series as the Kings were.

Kings scored only 1G in two home games in series and had nothing on PP. Not much cheering going on. Do kings even have a goal song anymore?

He must have seen the score in Game 3 and decided that he didn't want to work as hard to try and pretend to be a "hardcore" fan this year.

 

[FlameChampion]

High praise. Vinny has been very good this series, night and day compared to last post season.

Thats high praise from Ekholm. Dudes as honest as he comes, it’s not a Gretzky quote lol

 

[bone]

A series vs LA Kings and Will Feral sightings over two home games only 1/6hrs. Great success!


hahaha

he didn't even have face paint on. he was as prepared for this series as the Kings were.

Kings scored only 1G in two home games in series and had nothing on PP. Not much cheering going on. Do kings even have a goal song anymore?

Lol. I counted it as 2 which is still a miracle. However, I didn't get to watch the first period on Friday and what I did get to watch of the other periods was in a crowded room with a lots of distractions.

Yesterday saw him I think during the anthem and when LA got their one PP opportunity. He's really had nothing to cheer about though and that's likely why that is.

 

[McBeastMode]

Yeah I noticed that. he made the last save. hehe Everybody was dialed in. Can't see OV making many of those.

Praise for Leon..

 

[oXo Cube]

Or maybe that line or the whole team was not focused on taking shots on net but just getting the puck in deep.
Corsi is all about shots on goal differential and this game was much more than that.

How about this then:

Oilers defensemen by shots on goal against 5v5:

Ekholm: 5
Kulak: 5
Desharnais: 6
Bouchard: 7
Nurse: 21
Ceci: 22

I won't list all the forwards for the sake of post size but they compare similarly.

 

[alanschu]

Or maybe that line or the whole team was not focused on taking shots on net but just getting the puck in deep.
Corsi is all about shots on goal differential and this game was much more than that.

Sure, but there is still some context for why specifically that line would have significantly different numbers, and things like what lines the opponent gets out on you is important (as is TOI, etc etc)

Could even just be "oh god those guys are so scary, just shoot like mad and don't get fancy or they'll make us pay"

It's not a judgment on the line, just curious what is different. Could be more patience and/or conservative play on that line as well for sure.

 

[McDoused]

How about this then:

Oilers defensemen by shots on goal against 5v5:

Ekholm: 5
Kulak: 5
Desharnais: 6
Bouchard: 7
Nurse: 21
Ceci: 22

I won't list all the forwards for the sake of post size but they compare similarly.

I like how Knoblauch and Coffey are managing the defence. Other teams are rolling out their #1 dmen 25+ minutes a night in the playoffs and are going to be exhausted.

Meanwhile the Oilers don't have a single defenceman in the top 32 TOI for dman.

 

[LTIR]

How about this then:

Oilers defensemen by shots on goal against 5v5:

Ekholm: 5
Kulak: 5
Desharnais: 6
Bouchard: 7
Nurse: 21
Ceci: 22

I won't list all the forwards for the sake of post size but they compare similarly.

Sure this works.. guess what pairing was out with 9secs left in the game? Ceci led the team in TOI.. maybe the coaches are stupid and should look into corsi and these stats before giving away TOI.