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[Rpenny]

curious to know if the Oilers move on from Kane in the off season. Not trying to run him out of town but can we afford a 5mill 3rd liner? Just looking at the cap situation and what options we will have to go all in again

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[McTonyBrar]

curious to know if the Oilers move on from Kane in the off season. Not trying to run him out of town but can we afford a 5mill 3rd liner? Just looking at the cap situation and what options we will have to go all in again

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He's a 2nd line player and, based on how that second line is playing right, fits right in with Holloway and Leon

 

[belair]

He's a 2nd line player and, based on how that second line is playing right, fits right in with Holloway and Leon

I still think that they look to move on at year's end. Him playing well in the playoffs only increases the likelihood we have takers for the contract.

Whoever the new GM is will need to get creative with the payroll over the next two or three seasons. July 1st and we're a year from the Draisaitl and Bouchard extensions.

 

[Canovin]

I still think that they look to move on at year's end. Him playing well in the playoffs only increases the likelihood we have takers for the contract.

Whoever the new GM is will need to get creative with the payroll over the next two or three seasons. July 1st and we're a year from the Draisaitl and Bouchard extensions.

McLeod, Foegele, Ceci, Campbell will be gone before Kane will.

 

[Oilhawks]

I still think that they look to move on at year's end. Him playing well in the playoffs only increases the likelihood we have takers for the contract.

Whoever the new GM is will need to get creative with the payroll over the next two or three seasons. July 1st and we're a year from the Draisaitl and Bouchard extensions.

I understand where you're coming from, and the very likely decline coming from Kane over the next couple of seasons, but this team would be horribly soft without him.

GMs pay for toughness and skill, if they dump him they'll have to spend a good part of it on another shit disturber that can play, IMO

 

[CornKicker]

i think foegle is gone based holloway doing what hes supposed to do. Mcleod will stay hes an effective player that will only get better, ceci and campbell will be gone imo

 

[Canovin]

Foegele should have been gone at the deadline. To think this guy was going to do anything for us in the playoffs was foolish of Holland

 

[WaitingForUser]

Foegele should have been gone at the deadline. To think this guy was going to do anything for us in the playoffs was foolish of Holland

Did i miss the Oilers season being over? Checks notes nope seems they are in the final 4. So still a possible 14 games for Foegle to show his worth

 

[belair]

I understand where you're coming from, and the very likely decline coming from Kane over the next couple of seasons, but this team would be horribly soft without him.

GMs pay for toughness and skill, if they dump him they'll have to spend a good part of it on another shit disturber that can play, IMO

It's a valid concern, the lack of physicality. But overall, he's shown that he's heavily reliant on that scoring line push to be a productive player over the full 82 game season. And he's having a tougher time staying 100% healthy as time has progressed.

I think the Oilers in the trade market will be prioritizing players with that element of their game. I still think that Scott Laughton is the forward out there that makes the most sense to add in this brief window prior to the McDavid extension.

 

[McShogun99]

Did i miss the Oilers season being over? Checks notes nope seems they are in the final 4. So still a possible 14 games for Foegle to show his worth

Foegele could get 10 goals including the cup winner and he won't be signing in Edmonton. We don't have the cap to even sign him at his current contract.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I saw someone the other day mention Viktor Arvidsson. The more I think about it the more I like the idea. Hate playing against him, which usually means you’d love to have him on your team. Good depth scoring, could move up the lineup if needed. But also, former teammate and countryman of Ekholm.. could be a great fit.

 

[bellagiobob]

The Oilers kinda involved, I suspect they're making space for either Nurse or re-signing Carrier.

Trotz is first class.

 

[foshizzle]

He's a 2nd line player and, based on how that second line is playing right, fits right in with Holloway and Leon

That’s great and all, you have Bouchard and Draisaitl up the year after. If he has a great playoffs- you try to move him this offseason so you don’t have to add an asset for the season after. The new GM has to start planning with 97,2,29 contracts in mind

 

[BarDownBobo]

I saw someone the other day mention Viktor Arvidsson. The more I think about it the more I like the idea. Hate playing against him, which usually means you’d love to have him on your team. Good depth scoring, could move up the lineup if needed. But also, former teammate and countryman of Ekholm.. could be a great fit.

Arvidsson is my favorite target of the summer, would be a perfect fit with Drai and the Ekholm connection makes it super interesting. The only snag I could see is the fact that he’s been grossly underpaid for most of his career and at 31 he might be looking to cash in versus taking the fair market/slight discount it would take to get him here.

 

[CycloneSweep]

That’s great and all, you have Bouchard and Draisaitl up the year after. If he has a great playoffs- you try to move him this offseason so you don’t have to add an asset for the season after. The new GM has to start planning with 97,2,29 contracts in mind

This is fair. The alternative is we know he has ongoing injury issues he could have gone on LTIR for but didn’t. Maybe he just goes on LTIr for us. Maybe the new GM can play that card. Keep him as a rental next year and suddenly his arm is too bad to play and is on LTIR the season after.

Arvidsson is my favorite target of the summer, would be a perfect fit with Drai and the Ekholm connection makes it super interesting. The only snag I could see is the fact that he’s been grossly underpaid for most of his career and at 31 he might be looking to cash in versus taking the fair market/slight discount it would take to get him here.

Normally I’d say so but he missed all but what, 18 games this year and misses at least 20 games a season for the most part. That will drive his price down.

 

[belair]

Arvidsson is my favorite target of the summer, would be a perfect fit with Drai and the Ekholm connection makes it super interesting. The only snag I could see is the fact that he’s been grossly underpaid for most of his career and at 31 he might be looking to cash in versus taking the fair market/slight discount it would take to get him here.

He's had a lot of injuries, too. And as an undersized guy that's concerning. Fun player though.

 

[foshizzle]

I understand where you're coming from, and the very likely decline coming from Kane over the next couple of seasons, but this team would be horribly soft without him.

GMs pay for toughness and skill, if they dump him they'll have to spend a good part of it on another shit disturber that can play, IMO

Knoblauch has made it clear in interviews he doesn't put a high value on physicality. He is actually quoted as saying he prefers players who check with their legs (Rishaug asked him about physicality). Essentially be good skaters and positionally sound. I think the roster next year will be more in line with with that philosophy. With that being said- I see Kane, Ceci, gone for sure. I think Kulak stays (unless they are forcing Broberg into that spot). Foegele just for contract reasons, though I think Knoblauch likes him. I think Brown might be back at a bargain basement price.

Here is where analytics will come into play. Oilers will have to find undervalued 3rd/4th lines with solid underlying metrics. They have the hardest pieces to fill already in place with Leon, McDavid, Hyman, Nuge, Bouchard, Ekholm, Holloway. McLeod.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Trotz is first class.

Truly, and made a decent deal being a good guy too.

 

[McDoused]

I think our top 6 looks the same going into next season.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Holloway-Draisaitl-Kane

I dont see us looking to add another top 6 winger now that Holloway can do that job for cheap.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Did i miss the Oilers season being over? Checks notes nope seems they are in the final 4. So still a possible 14 games for Foegle to show his worth

The last 65 playoff games Foegele has played he has 5 goals and 1 of them (this year) was an empty net. This isn't some small sample size this player offers nothing in the playoffs other than being a body doing cardio for 12-14 minutes a night.

 

[OilersaretheMcBest]

I think our top 6 looks the same going into next season.

RNH-McDavid-Hyman
Holloway-Draisaitl-Kane

I dont see us looking to add another top 6 winger now that Holloway can do that job for cheap.

Agreed I dont see this changing. Kane is a piece the Oilers desperately lack when the playoffs come around

 

[Mr Positive]

Agreed I dont see this changing. Kane is a piece the Oilers desperately lack when the playoffs come around

I don't see anyone taking him without sweetners as well, and we want to keep assets like that for deadline deals. Kane makes 5 million and for two years he is entering his mid-30s. Plus he has a NMC that means he isn't waiving to go to a low team that would overpay him for character. He's here, and he is a good player so that's that.

Next season doesn't have that many cap issues. It's the year after that that has the issue. That's when we can talk about options with Kane.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Knoblauch has made it clear in interviews he doesn't put a high value on physicality. He is actually quoted as saying he prefers players who check with their legs (Rishaug asked him about physicality). Essentially be good skaters and positionally sound. I think the roster next year will be more in line with with that philosophy. With that being said- I see Kane, Ceci, gone for sure. I think Kulak stays (unless they are forcing Broberg into that spot). Foegele just for contract reasons, though I think Knoblauch likes him. I think Brown might be back at a bargain basement price.

Here is where analytics will come into play. Oilers will have to find undervalued 3rd/4th lines with solid underlying metrics. They have the hardest pieces to fill already in place with Leon, McDavid, Hyman, Nuge, Bouchard, Ekholm, Holloway. McLeod.

Context is important. Rishaug was asking about the lack of physicality specifically lack of hits by their d-corp who had just thrown a collective no hitter while Canucks big defenders were very physically aggressive against the Oilers top skill forwards.

The best contextual quote is: "Paul [Coffey] and myself, we have been telling our players all year that yes - we do want physicality. But more importantly is we want strong positional play, good sticks to break up passes, and then after that the physicality is important."

One sees this playing out especially with Desharnais's game. Where last year the rookie was caught out of position chasing hits, he's playing a far more controlled positional game this playoff that utilizes his condor length reach to defend. Evander Kane was highly effective in the Canucks series especially when Holloway was elevated to Line 2. It is a big, heavy line that gets hard on opposition and can help wear down opposition with their aggressive play. It's a great complement to the high skill of Line 1 driven by McDavid's speed and aggressive attack game.

Personnel decisions are never exclusively analytic driven decisions. It's a piece of the puzzle which requires in-rink viewings to give context as a vital component of decision making. The Oilers pro scouting haven't yet found latent, hidden (and inexpensive) support talent. This area continues to be a weak function of the organization.

 

[Canovin]

Did i miss the Oilers season being over? Checks notes nope seems they are in the final 4. So still a possible 14 games for Foegle to show his worth

14 games left for Foegele to show his worth? You’re too kind. He had 3 years to show it

 

[foshizzle]

Context is important. Rishaug was asking about the lack of physicality specifically lack of hits by their d-corp who had just thrown a collective no hitter while Canucks big defenders were very physically aggressive against the Oilers top skill forwards.

The best contextual quote is: "Paul [Coffey] and myself, we have been telling our players all year that yes - we do want physicality. But more importantly is we want strong positional play, good sticks to break up passes, and then after that the physicality is important."

One sees this playing out especially with Desharnais's game. Where last year the rookie was caught out of position chasing hits, he's playing a far more controlled positional game this playoff that utilizes his condor length reach to defend. Evander Kane was highly effective in the Canucks series especially when Holloway was elevated to Line 2. It is a big, heavy line that gets hard on opposition and can help wear down opposition with their aggressive play. It's a great complement to the high skill of Line 1 driven by McDavid's speed and aggressive attack game.

Personnel decisions are never exclusively analytic driven decisions. It's a piece of the puzzle which requires in-rink viewings to give context as a vital component of decision making. The Oilers pro scouting haven't yet found latent, hidden (and inexpensive) support talent. This area continues to be a weak function of the organization.

Context is important. This wasn’t the quote I was talking about. I was referring to after game 5. Anyways, using your contextual quote- how is that any different than what I said? He doesn’t put a premium on physicality- he wants good skating, positionally sound players.

Analytics is just another tool- never said it should be used exclusively. You need to analytics to validate what your eyes saw (numbers don’t have biases) and need to view to make your analysis matches up (need to prove your analytical model). They go hand in hand.