Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

Who should the Sharks draft #1?


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Baysick

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Parekh and Emery are both RDs, and it looks like Emery will go earlier than #33. Solberg (two-way LD) is most likely also gone by then, but we could get one of the 6'4 shutdown LDs: Shuravin or Skahan. One of them should still be around at #42.

I’m hoping we can trade up to the early to mid 20s with picks 33 and 42. Or attach one of those picks with 14 and move into the top 10, although I’d guess it’s unlucky that anyone is willing to trade down from the top 10 right now
 

Zarzh

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This is exactly why I don't want us to draft Parekh. Let him score a bunch of empty calorie points for some other team. This is not Cale Makar.

If I'm wrong, anyone who wants to can shove these words back in my face in a few years, I don't have an ego about it, but this kind of player (and his LW flavor, Eiserman) scares the hell out of me. Give me Sennecke, MBN, Yakemchuk, Catton, even Jiricek, Chernyshov, Solberg (playing well in the WC!), Emery before Eiserman or Parekh.
Catton is the forward version of Parehk with less talent and tools and more limiting qualities. Parehk could be special offensively, or he could end up average or slightly above average defensively as most of his issues are really fixable but he doesn't really change how you want to build a team, it's just a question of if you think he's good enough to be an OFD or just a powerplay specialist.
 

Juxtaposer

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This is exactly why I don't want us to draft Parekh. Let him score a bunch of empty calorie points for some other team. This is not Cale Makar.

If I'm wrong, anyone who wants to can shove these words back in my face in a few years, I don't have an ego about it, but this kind of player (and his LW flavor, Eiserman) scares the hell out of me. Give me Sennecke, MBN, Yakemchuk, Catton, even Jiricek, Chernyshov, Solberg (playing well in the WC!), Emery before Eiserman or Parekh.
Obviously, like I said, there’s a world where Parekh doesn’t meet his expectations and becomes a Gustafsson, but there’s also a world where he becomes prime Erik Karlsson-lite. Whatever you want to say about Karlsson these days, in his prime he was the full package.

Yakemchuk, Sennecke, and Catton are “empty calorie” players too, if you want to define them like that. Again, to reiterate, people only think Yakemchuk is better defensively because he’s bigger. And Yakemchuk isn’t half the playmaker Parekh is. If anything, Yakemchuk’s offense won’t translate because a lot of it relies on one-on-one dangles and outmuscling teenagers.
 
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coooldude

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Obviously, like I said, there’s a world where Parekh doesn’t meet his expectations and becomes a Gustafsson, but there’s also a world where he becomes prime Erik Karlsson-lite. Whatever you want to say about Karlsson these days, in his prime he was the full package.

Yakemchuk, Sennecke, and Catton are “empty calorie” players too, if you want to define them like that. Again, to reiterate, people only think Yakemchuk is better defensively because he’s bigger. And Yakemchuk isn’t half the playmaker Parekh is. If anything, Yakemchuk’s offense won’t translate because a lot of it relies on one-on-one dangles and outmuscling teenagers.
I think Parekh is more of a mirage than Yakemchuk. I'm pretty cold on Catton because we already have a highly touted skill + hockey sense + effort player who might be slightly too small in Eklund (and arguably Smith - who absolutely is at risk of being an empty calorie guy who racks up points on the PP).

I don't know how one can claim Sennecke is an empty calorie winger when he was top performer for his team and was putting in real, hard minutes while producing in the playoffs. I think he's more projectable at his position without requiring a specific set of players around him to make sure he's successful.

Yak has size that Parekh doesn't, without losing much mobility at all. Parekh doesn't even skate all that well. He has great passing vision, but he gets turnstiled often in his own zone. Yakemchuk's big knock is that he's too aggressive in the D zone and gets out of position with bad decisions, but he is also on tape as shutting down (and infuriating) Lindstrom and McKenna, and he often got exposed on D while playing 25-30min and being asked to do everything. If I'm a GM and both are available, I'm betting on Yak this year.

EK never won anything or was a centerpiece of a true contender, so why bet on EK lite? Meanwhile there are lots of big, nasty D who are either questionable in their own zone or figure out how to shut it down and become a solid part of a difficult team to play against. Burns Lite I prefer to EK lite.

To be clear I'm not against the offensive defenseman archetype that Parekh embodies. But this year, for me, Buium is that guy - even without the size, he has so much hockey sense and high IQ, decision-making, plus the offensive tools to boot. Lev and Parekh aren't worth the draft capital they're going to demand, in my opinion, and if it's Yak or Parekh I'm hoping for Yak.
 

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Hey, probably dumb question, but I can't seem to figure out how to vote in a poll. I click on the name and vote links, but my name doesn't show up in the names of people who've voted and the count doesn't increase.

Do I maybe need to enable something in my browser that's disabled?
 
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Barrie22

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Hey, probably dumb question, but I can't seem to figure out how to vote in a poll. I click on the name and vote links, but my name doesn't show up in the names of people who've voted and the count doesn't increase.

Do I maybe need to enable something in my browser that's disabled?
I believe you need to be a member for a certain amount of time, or certain amount of messages posted.

Edit: but now confused as I see that you can start threads and start polls lol. So my answer is now out lol.
 

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This is exactly why I don't want us to draft Parekh. Let him score a bunch of empty calorie points for some other team. This is not Cale Makar.

If I'm wrong, anyone who wants to can shove these words back in my face in a few years, I don't have an ego about it, but this kind of player (and his LW flavor, Eiserman) scares the hell out of me. Give me Sennecke, MBN, Yakemchuk, Catton, even Jiricek, Chernyshov, Solberg (playing well in the WC!), Emery before Eiserman or Parekh.
A safe option down the middle that will go in that range is Michael Hage (right shot Canadian 2006, USHL with Chicago, going to Michigan).
 
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Pinkfloyd

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I think Parekh is more of a mirage than Yakemchuk. I'm pretty cold on Catton because we already have a highly touted skill + hockey sense + effort player who might be slightly too small in Eklund (and arguably Smith - who absolutely is at risk of being an empty calorie guy who racks up points on the PP).

I don't know how one can claim Sennecke is an empty calorie winger when he was top performer for his team and was putting in real, hard minutes while producing in the playoffs. I think he's more projectable at his position without requiring a specific set of players around him to make sure he's successful.

Yak has size that Parekh doesn't, without losing much mobility at all. Parekh doesn't even skate all that well. He has great passing vision, but he gets turnstiled often in his own zone. Yakemchuk's big knock is that he's too aggressive in the D zone and gets out of position with bad decisions, but he is also on tape as shutting down (and infuriating) Lindstrom and McKenna, and he often got exposed on D while playing 25-30min and being asked to do everything. If I'm a GM and both are available, I'm betting on Yak this year.

EK never won anything or was a centerpiece of a true contender, so why bet on EK lite? Meanwhile there are lots of big, nasty D who are either questionable in their own zone or figure out how to shut it down and become a solid part of a difficult team to play against. Burns Lite I prefer to EK lite.

To be clear I'm not against the offensive defenseman archetype that Parekh embodies. But this year, for me, Buium is that guy - even without the size, he has so much hockey sense and high IQ, decision-making, plus the offensive tools to boot. Lev and Parekh aren't worth the draft capital they're going to demand, in my opinion, and if it's Yak or Parekh I'm hoping for Yak.
I mean Pittsburgh was able to win with someone similar to what you're describing in Kris Letang. An EK-lite player can win if the team is managed properly and not overpaying for their offense,
 

Juxtaposer

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Disclaimer: Please forgive the tone of this post, it’s just how I am, nothing personal.


I think Parekh is more of a mirage than Yakemchuk. I'm pretty cold on Catton because we already have a highly touted skill + hockey sense + effort player who might be slightly too small in Eklund (and arguably Smith - who absolutely is at risk of being an empty calorie guy who racks up points on the PP).
The New York Rangers might win a Stanley Cup because their PP is so good. The Sharks made it to the SCF for the first and only time in franchise history in large part because of their ridiculously good first PP unit. Having an elite PP is absolutely a weapon in the playoffs that can make or break your run, so I don’t really see a problem with guys who feast there. Goals are goals.

If you think Parekh is a mirage, please explain why. I have already conceded his defensive short-comings, so it can’t just be that.
I don't know how one can claim Sennecke is an empty calorie winger when he was top performer for his team and was putting in real, hard minutes while producing in the playoffs. I think he's more projectable at his position without requiring a specific set of players around him to make sure he's successful.
Sennecke is the definition of empty calories. He’s been criticized for inconsistent effort and plays no defense, plays a little too much one-on-one hockey. Frankly, he benefitted from being injured during the London series so people can make excuses for why they shut his team down without him. This is not a player who is going to carry a line at the NHL level.
Yak has size that Parekh doesn't, without losing much mobility at all. Parekh doesn't even skate all that well. He has great passing vision, but he gets turnstiled often in his own zone. Yakemchuk's big knock is that he's too aggressive in the D zone and gets out of position with bad decisions, but he is also on tape as shutting down (and infuriating) Lindstrom and McKenna, and he often got exposed on D while playing 25-30min and being asked to do everything. If I'm a GM and both are available, I'm betting on Yak this year.
Yakemchuk people are so obsessed with the one single game where Yakemchuk apparently played good defense. Parekh isn’t an elite skater but he’s a good one and Yakemchuk is a poor one. I’ve watched a half dozen games of each player and I desperately wanted to like Yakemchuk way more than I have, because his effort on defense is not there. Yes, he can bully other teenagers in front of the net because he’s a 6’3” built 18 year old in a league of children. I don’t see that translating unless he drastically improves his positioning and agility. His top speed is above average for his size but I care more about agility, acceleration, and four-way mobility in a defenseman and Parekh is clearly superior in these ways.

You also don’t mention that Yakemchuk’s offense other than his booming shot is not nearly as likely as Parekh’s to translate, because so much of it relies on dangling teenagers and one-on-one moves. I can see Parekh playing exactly the same way in the NHL as he does in juniors because his offense is not junior style. Yakemchuk’s is. He might still translate because he is really talented, but it’s not as clear-cut and easy to envision.

There’s also the fact that Parekh’s +/- was by far the best on his own team and Yakemchuk’s was one of the worst on his team. It’s not a perfect stat, but when the disparity is that large you have to take notice. However bad Parekh is defensively, he out-scored it at even strength by 39 goals. A plus 39 goal differential, which doesn’t include “empty-calorie” PP scoring, is insane at any level.

I really do like both players, but Yakemchuk has true bust potential, as in never plays in the NHL other than games fed to him because 1st round picks always get leeway.
EK never won anything or was a centerpiece of a true contender, so why bet on EK lite? Meanwhile there are lots of big, nasty D who are either questionable in their own zone or figure out how to shut it down and become a solid part of a difficult team to play against. Burns Lite I prefer to EK lite.

To be clear I'm not against the offensive defenseman archetype that Parekh embodies. But this year, for me, Buium is that guy - even without the size, he has so much hockey sense and high IQ, decision-making, plus the offensive tools to boot. Lev and Parekh aren't worth the draft capital they're going to demand, in my opinion, and if it's Yak or Parekh I'm hoping for Yak.
First of all, it’s insane to have expected EK to carry any team he’s ever been on to a Cup. Give him Toews and Kane or Kopitar and Carter or Crosby and Malkin up front when he was in his prime and I virtually guarantee he’s a Cup-winner. Remember how he basically carried an otherwise lottery-bound Sens team to within one game of the SCF? He’s capable.

Second of all, when has Burns ever won anything? Burns is just as much of a loser as Karlsson, so Burns-lite must be a loser too, right?

I’m also not suggesting that we draft Parekh to be a minutes-munching all-situations #1D, or the centerpiece of a contender. I’m suggesting that he be the Forsling/Montour archetype. We still have to draft the Ekblad archetype either way, because Yakemchuk isn’t likely to be that guy either.

I don’t get the Buium comparison to Parekh, they’re totally different types of players. I far prefer Buium to Parekh, obviously, but there’s no question that Parekh is on a different level offensively. Buium was the third leading scorer on his NCAA team. Parekh out-scored the second leading scorer on his team by 20 points. Buium was not the defensive centerpiece on his team, that was Behrens, and several high profile forwards were centerpieces of that team too. Parekh was clearly physically targeted by opponents in the OHL playoffs because he’s the guy that literally everything runs through and his team was practically useless without him.

Again, it’s not that I don’t like Yakemchuk, but rather that I feel like I need to aggressively defend Parekh that much because I just don’t feel like people appreciate his talent and ability. He’s certainly the most misunderstood player in this draft, as far as I’m concerned.
 

Jargon

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I think the fact is, we need defensive prospects badly. If Parekh fell to us, I would take him 10/10 times -- the kid has a huge ceiling. If we had Parekh and then drafted our #1 defenseman in the next draft, then suddenly we've got a ton of skill on the back end. I think OFDs are always kind of a risk, but it sounds like Parekh's skill level is not something you skip out on, especially if he drops to 14.
 

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I think the fact is, we need defensive prospects badly. If Parekh fell to us, I would take him 10/10 times -- the kid has a huge ceiling. If we had Parekh and then drafted our #1 defenseman in the next draft, then suddenly we've got a ton of skill on the back end. I think OFDs are always kind of a risk, but it sounds like Parekh's skill level is not something you skip out on, especially if he drops to 14.
I’m definitely biased because i have Parekh in my top 5 at the moment but he’s just so fun to watch. Dude is so skilled. If he is there at 10 I trade up for him.
 

coooldude

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I mean Pittsburgh was able to win with someone similar to what you're describing in Kris Letang. An EK-lite player can win if the team is managed properly and not overpaying for their offense,
Sure, but I'd personally still rather draft the bigger, meaner guy in the highly unlikely scenario that we have a choice between Yak and Parekh.

Look, it doesn't matter what I think. Anyone on these boards can be really excited about Parekh. I am not. Both Parekh and Yak are polarizing, but there are pro scouts who put Yak in the top 5 and fewer that put Parekh in the top 6, and what they seem to like is what I personally like. Maybe this changes in the next month. For me personally, I prefer a Yak profile. As I said, I prefer Burns Lite to EK lite even if neither of them won anything, because there are more Burns Lite examples on cup winning teams than there are EK lite examples, and the profile is generally harder to play against.

We're likely to get an exciting prospect at 14. Any of these names would be a welcome addition to our prospect pool and all of them would require a lot of development before even playing limited minutes in the NHL: (highly unlikely) Parekh, Buium, Catton (less and less likely) Yakemchuk, MBN (still very possible) Chernyshov, Eiserman (very possible and a bit of a reach if the staff likes them and if so I'd be excited) Solberg, Emery.

For me personally, based on what Grier seems to want to build here (which I'm on board with), that list goes Buium, MBN, Yakemchuk, Chernyshov, Catton, Solberg, Parekh/Eiserman, Emery.

Like I said, if I'm totally wrong in 5 years, no problem. I'm no pro and I'm glad I'm not making any of these picks. But there's no such thing as certainty and true draft rankings are imaginary fabrications. The only thing that matters is what NHL teams think and we'll see an indication of what they think soon enough.
 

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Did Dan get in trouble with ESPN for posting a picture of his TV? :sarcasm:
I can't tell if you're writing a Christmas Carol or actually realizing that Celebrini is in fact a 17 year old child.
Shoot the puck like Celebrini, falalalala...
Sharks got him for playing like weenies, falalalala lala la la
 
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Juxtaposer

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Sure, but I'd personally still rather draft the bigger, meaner guy in the highly unlikely scenario that we have a choice between Yak and Parekh.

Look, it doesn't matter what I think. Anyone on these boards can be really excited about Parekh. I am not. Both Parekh and Yak are polarizing, but there are pro scouts who put Yak in the top 5 and fewer that put Parekh in the top 6, and what they seem to like is what I personally like. Maybe this changes in the next month. For me personally, I prefer a Yak profile. As I said, I prefer Burns Lite to EK lite even if neither of them won anything, because there are more Burns Lite examples on cup winning teams than there are EK lite examples, and the profile is generally harder to play against.

We're likely to get an exciting prospect at 14. Any of these names would be a welcome addition to our prospect pool and all of them would require a lot of development before even playing limited minutes in the NHL: (highly unlikely) Parekh, Buium, Catton (less and less likely) Yakemchuk, MBN (still very possible) Chernyshov, Eiserman (very possible and a bit of a reach if the staff likes them and if so I'd be excited) Solberg, Emery.

For me personally, based on what Grier seems to want to build here (which I'm on board with), that list goes Buium, MBN, Yakemchuk, Chernyshov, Catton, Solberg, Parekh/Eiserman, Emery.

Like I said, if I'm totally wrong in 5 years, no problem. I'm no pro and I'm glad I'm not making any of these picks. But there's no such thing as certainty and true draft rankings are imaginary fabrications. The only thing that matters is what NHL teams think and we'll see an indication of what they think soon enough.
Your post basically just comes down to “big boy good, small boy bad”, then?
 
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TealManV

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Here's a thought - would you trade 14 for Askaraov? Wallstedt?
Absolutely. I believe that ship has sailed, though.

Lots of reports and rumors that Trotz offered up Askarov & #15 for #4 last draft.

And there was a recent report that the Wild are open to moving Filip Gustavsson. Wallstedt isn’t going anywhere.
 
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Yes but I don't think NSH or MIN do it.
What would you give up for him? Obviously 1 is off the table, but I do wonder what Nashville would take. I honestly wouldn't mind the team exploring trade avenues for previous drafted goalies (like Fowler or even Augustine) that are still super young.
 

coooldude

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Your post basically just comes down to “big boy good, small boy bad”, then?
I tried to be respectful of your opinion, but if you want to be disrespectful to mine ignoring all the other exchanges we've had about Yakemchuk and the other prospects (this is the first one we've had about Parekh), then be my guest.
 

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