Proposal: Blockbuster: MTL + L.A. + S.J. (edited)

[Miller Time]

Montreal would DEFINITELY do that deal. As long as there is a compliance buyout they can apply.

Ummm why wouldn't they just keep the 1st, buy out Gally, and send Anderson to the minors if they can't move him or leave him in the roster?

Hard pass for Montreal, quite easily so.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't see 7 1st, one for each season going to Montreal to take the PLDonkey contract.

Everybody who knows even a tiny bit about current hockey knows that the Donkey contract is the worse in the league. In fact, Habs dodged a bullet. So this post qualifies as ignorant or trolling.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

No, but you do what the Sharks did in the Karlsson deal and take on players to compensate that, so the Sharks can then be a 3rd party in deals to get more picks in deadline deals.

You get your 1st + and the those contracts you're taking on. Those players either play well and the Sharks can potentially flip those players, or they suck, or they're just OK and stay with the team under their contract runs out.

Those kinds of deals tend to yield 4th round picks. Getting a 1st and a decent prospect in Edstrom is more worthwhile than that sort of thing. The only thing the Hertl deal did was prevent them from getting something for Barabanov which would've likely been in the same 4th round territory given his season to that point with the injuries. Nobody that Vegas had was really a cap dump sort of situation and Hertl has a full NMC. It was also a matter of moving a player who wanted to go compete while we were rebuilding. Chances are there weren't other deals out there to choose between.

 

[HabsAddict]

Montreal doesn't do this. It adds a big contract that will go on when the outgoing contracts expire, which is roughly when Montreal can hope to start contending.

Reading is hard...so it's impossible to keep up with current players.

 

[Bizz]

There is no need for the Sharks to take on long bad contracts for 1st rounders in a very shallow draft. Especially with the influx of young forwards ready to come up at any point.

Gallagher is old and useless and should never given ice time over a Borderleau, Bystedt, or even Gushchin. Anderson is at least younger but there's no real fit for him on this team either, and we're not paying one or both to sit in the press box with their cap hits, for THREE years. Makes zero sense.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Those kinds of deals tend to yield 4th round picks. Getting a 1st and a decent prospect in Edstrom is more worthwhile than that sort of thing. The only thing the Hertl deal did was prevent them from getting something for Barabanov which would've likely been in the same 4th round territory given his season to that point with the injuries. Nobody that Vegas had was really a cap dump sort of situation and Hertl has a full NMC. It was also a matter of moving a player who wanted to go compete while we were rebuilding. Chances are there weren't other deals out there to choose between.

That deal smelled more of a let's get it done rather than "I want this and I'm willing to wait to the offseason to get it"

And yes, those deals do, but thsrs just me stating one way.

You deal Hertl and let's say 2 years from now the contracts you took on are done, you can then take on cap dumps, potentially of good, just overpaid players, then eat 50% there and get an asset for taking on said player and then dealing said player.

Maybe Hertl will just be either a very meh player and/or missing time and it will look like Grier did well before selling him off. If he is that injury prone, then LTIRetirement. Maybe that's an issue ? Sharks, to me don't seem like a team that struggles and has an internal cap, but maybe that changed for the retool/rebuild.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That deal smelled more of a let's get it done rather than "I want this and I'm willing to wait to the offseason to get it"

And yes, those deals do, but thsrs just me stating one way.

You deal Hertl and let's say 2 years from now the contracts you took on are done, you can then take on cap dumps, potentially of good, just overpaid players, then eat 50% there and get an asset for taking on said player and then dealing said player.

Maybe Hertl will just be either a very meh player and/or missing time and it will look like Grier did well before selling him off. If he is that injury prone, then LTIRetirement. Maybe that's an issue ? Sharks, to me don't seem like a team that struggles and has an internal cap, but maybe that changed for the retool/rebuild.

It might have been more of a let's get it done and there would be nothing wrong with that. They get out of all but 1.4 mil for the next six years. That's 6.75 mil in cap space generated to get a 1st round pick in a rebuild while doing a veteran a solid.

It's not dumb to make such a move on someone that you're going to have limited options on. In the Karlsson deal, they had to do both retain and take on cap dumps over one or two years. In Vegas' situation, it may not have been on the table because they don't have anyone to really dump in their view on this deal.

LTIRetirement only matters if you're going to be over the cap. Otherwise, it's just used to help get you to the floor. They still have Logan Couture to fulfill that if he remains injured. But getting out of those deals still provides long-term flexibility. If Couture has a healthy season next year, they'll probably move him in a similar manner to either the Hertl deal or the Karlsson deal. However, he may not even want to go if Celebrini and Smith come as advertised. Either way, he has to get through next season healthy to even have an option.

 

[GCK]

What a terrible trade for the Sharks. We're not here to do Montreal any favors. You'll need to pay significantly more to make this sort of thing work. As in, you'd have to add what amounts to another 3 1st round picks to make it agreeable on top of the 21 and 26 being offered here.


It is garbage for the Sharks.

2 1sts for nothing but cash, how is that bad for the Sharks

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

EDIT: Granlund has been removed from the deal, and replaced with a 7th rd pick

EDIT #2: Dvorak has been added to the deal


Habs --> #26, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak
Habs <-- Dubois

Kings --> #21, Dubois
Kings <-- S.J.'s '24 7th, Dvorak

Sharks --> '24 7th
Sharks <-- #21, #26, Gallagher, Anderson


Montreal fill a position of need with a pretty significant upgrade in talent at C while also creating 8 million in additional cap space

Los Angeles get out from under Dubois' long term contract while also creating 4.5 million in additional cap space

San Jose add a pair of 1st round picks for simply taking on some of the salary they'll need anyways in order to reach the cap floor in the coming seasons

PLD hasn't been an upgrade to anything in years let alone a significant upgrade.

I don't want to replace a 5.5 million dollar 3 year problem with an 8.5 million dollar 7 year problem!

 

[Double Dion]

As a Sharks fan, Granlund is worth a first alone and BG and JA, with 3 long years left are worth firsts on their own. Getting two late firsts isn't worth it.

Well a younger Granlund returned a 2nd, so no. He's not worth a first. He's worth a 2nd or less.

 

[TheBeard]

Well a younger Granlund returned a 2nd, so no. He's not worth a first. He's worth a 2nd or less.

He also had 3 years left at 5 per when he was traded.

 

[weastern bias]

This trade is bad for everyone but LA, no thanks from a San Jose perspective

As for "Grier seems dumb", he turned a bottom feeder with the most unenviable cap situation in the league into a lottery winner with $38M in cap space while collecting multiple additional 1st round picks over the span of a year and a half, he's done an incredible job of tearing down the worst built roster in the league, any argument for getting better value out of his trades is both revisionist and inaccurate

 

[mydnyte]

EDIT: Granlund has been removed from the deal, and replaced with a 7th rd pick

EDIT #2: Dvorak has been added to the deal


Habs --> #26, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak
Habs <-- Dubois

Kings --> #21, Dubois
Kings <-- S.J.'s '24 7th, Dvorak

Sharks --> '24 7th
Sharks <-- #21, #26, Gallagher, Anderson


Montreal fill a position of need with a pretty significant upgrade in talent at C while also creating 8 million in additional cap space

Los Angeles get out from under Dubois' long term contract while also creating 4.5 million in additional cap space

San Jose add a pair of 1st round picks for simply taking on some of the salary they'll need anyways in order to reach the cap floor in the coming seasons

LOL a 'Blockbuster' trade that involes not 1, not 2, but 3 cap dump players.
Habs get the biggest longest dump for 2 dumps a late pick and oft injured player with actual value
Kings make out like bandits, getting a cheaper dump a late 1st and a high first
Sharks get bent, as they give up the only 'quality' asset in the #7 pick, for 2 late picks a dump and a vet that wont help them in their rebuild at all
way to screw over the worst team in the deal, and then somehow screw every other team also ..thats talent

 

[Bizz]

way to screw over the worst team in the deal, and then somehow screw every other team also ..thats talent

that's... a typical (bad) offer from a Habs fan on this forum.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Montreal's brass aren't who they used to be and Quebec's demographics aren't what they used to be either. There's no way they would lose out on a trade so badly to have a French speaking disappointment anymore, when the fanbase cares less and less about them with every year that goes by.

F that guy, i don't want anyone with that kind of attitude poisoning the well in Montreal anymore.

Great post , my sentiments exactly, at least I'm not worried about management doing things like this. Bergevin certainly left his mark on LA to nobody's suprise.

 

[Bizz]

Well a younger Granlund returned a 2nd, so no. He's not worth a first. He's worth a 2nd or less.

that "younger Granlund" was coming off a major injury that nobody thought he was gonna come back from.

He's since posted a 60 point season where he led the team and looked great doing so.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

2 1sts for nothing but cash, how is that bad for the Sharks

Because it’s nowhere near the value of the cap dump contracts. You don’t just give that away at a ridiculously steep discount. 2 1sts buys you 12-15 mil. Not 35 mil. That’s crazy.

 

[CanadienShark]

Having dead cap for a while doesn't seem to be an issue for San Jose and Grier seems kind of dumb, so the trade to San Jose might work, but the Habs aren't giving up a 1st to take on PLD, so this deal dies there.

Speaking of people who seem kind of dumb....

 

[Ford Prefect]

Ummm why wouldn't they just keep the 1st, buy out Gally, and send Anderson to the minors if they can't move him or leave him in the roster?

Hard pass for Montreal, quite easily so.

I thought this was baseball and it was a 26th rounder?

Gallanderson would cost 23.3 million to buyout at 2/3 Dubois is a 1/3 buyout and only costs 15.83 million. And with our mystery compliance buyout it would be for no cap hit, while you'd be stuck with the one of the boat anchor cap hits from one of the two amigos.

 

[BLONG7]

some Francophone Habs fans

PLD in Columbus = yeah he gave up on his team..But he's from Quebec!
PLD with Winnipeg = yeah he was frequently called out and was bad for the locker room...but He's from Quebec!
PLD with LA = Yeah he....What he played for LA? I didn't see him there the entire season! ....But he is from Quebec!

Do you think him eating poutine and smoked meat sandwiches on the regular is going to change the type of player he is?


You should be wiping your brow that your team dodging that bullet and did not trade for him!

Hughes is smiling, he knows he dodged a bullet, an expensive one.
Habs would never do this...........he is LA's problem.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Gallagher will finish his career on LTIR everyone knows this

Nobody knows this. It's just wishful thinking.

 

[BLNY]

EDIT: Granlund has been removed from the deal, and replaced with a 7th rd pick

EDIT #2: Dvorak has been added to the deal


Habs --> #26, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak
Habs <-- Dubois

Kings --> #21, Dubois
Kings <-- S.J.'s '24 7th, Dvorak

Sharks --> '24 7th
Sharks <-- #21, #26, Gallagher, Anderson


Montreal fill a position of need with a pretty significant upgrade in talent at C while also creating 8 million in additional cap space

Los Angeles get out from under Dubois' long term contract while also creating 4.5 million in additional cap space

San Jose add a pair of 1st round picks for simply taking on some of the salary they'll need anyways in order to reach the cap floor in the coming seasons

• Montreal dodged this bullet already.
• Hughes has implied they're prepared to go with the centers they have.
• There's only one more year of Dvorak to deal with.
• Gallagher, while having finished the season well, most likely finishes his career on LTIRetirement.
• While getting rid of Gallagher and Anderson would be nice, taking on a cancer to do it is not in keeping with what HuGo are trying to build.
  
  
  

Nobody knows this. It's just wishful thinking.

It's not that farfetched to think they'll put him on LTIRetirement before the deal ends.

 

[FerrisRox]

EDIT: Granlund has been removed from the deal, and replaced with a 7th rd pick

EDIT #2: Dvorak has been added to the deal


Habs --> #26, Gallagher, Anderson, Dvorak
Habs <-- Dubois

Kings --> #21, Dubois
Kings <-- S.J.'s '24 7th, Dvorak

Sharks --> '24 7th
Sharks <-- #21, #26, Gallagher, Anderson


Montreal fill a position of need with a pretty significant upgrade in talent at C while also creating 8 million in additional cap space

Los Angeles get out from under Dubois' long term contract while also creating 4.5 million in additional cap space

San Jose add a pair of 1st round picks for simply taking on some of the salary they'll need anyways in order to reach the cap floor in the coming seasons

So the Canadiens take on Dubois' contract and they give up a first round pick for the right to bring on this anchor?

Absolutely not.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

So the Canadiens take on Dubois' contract and they give up a first round pick for the right to bring on this anchor?

Absolutely not.

Do you think you should be able to dump Anderson and Gallagher on a third team for free?

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's not that farfetched to think they'll put him on LTIRetirement before the deal ends.

You can't force guys on LTIR. This is up to Gallagher. Yeah, he has a lot of milage but expecting it to be another Price or Weber is hope. He's signed till age 34, not 36+

Do you think you should be able to dump Anderson and Gallagher on a third team for free?

Dubois's contract is worse. And no, it's not for free. We are taking a possible even worse anchor contract with Dubois and also giving up the 26th pick in this next draft.

Most Habs fans decline this idea.