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Here’s my spreadsheet for upcoming UFAs, each team’s cap situation, and a trade tracker. I update the spreadsheet daily. I use CapFriendly to create this list and AFP Analytics for the contract projections.

Edit: Spreadsheet has been updated with AFP's latest projections and I added a new section for RFAs.

Spoiler: UFAs By Position

Top-6 Forwards
Sam Reinhart	RW	28	8y/10.25m
Jake Guentzel	W	29	6y/7.94m
Steven Stamkos	LW/C	34	3y/6.30m
Jonathan Marchessault	W	33	3y/6.25m
Joe Pavelski	RW	39	1y/3.94m
Matt Duchene	RW/C	33	3y/6.46m
Sean Monahan	FW	29	3y/2.87m
Tyler Toffoli	W	32	5y/6.53m
Jonathan Drouin	W	29	4y/4.46m
Teuvo Teravainen	W	29	5y/6.13m
Vladimir Tarasenko	RW	32	3y/5.64m
Adam Henrique	LW/C	34	2y/4.60m
Chandler Stephenson	C/LW	30	5y/5.77m
Max Domi	C/RW	29	3y/4.17m
Patrick Kane	RW	35	2y/5.51m
Elias Lindholm	C/RW	29	7y/8.04m
Anthony Mantha	W	29	3y/4.40m
Daniel Sprong	W	27	3y/3.89m
Jake DeBrusk	W	27	5y/5.92m
David Perron	W	36	2y/2.80m
Tyler Bertuzzi	W	29	5y/6.00m
Anthony Duclair	W	28	3y/3.22m
Jason Zucker	W	32	3y/5.46m
Jack Roslovic	C/RW	27	3y/3.11m
Max Pacioretty	LW	35
Alexander Barabanov	W	30	3y/3.03m

Top-4 Defecemen
Shayne Gostisbehere	LD/RD	31	3y/4.38m
Brady Skjei	LD	30	6y/7.39m
Noah Hanifin	LD	27	7y/7.69m
Brandon Montour	RD	30	7y/8.71m
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	32	3y/3.67m
Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	4y/5.07m
Sean Walker	LD/RD	29	4y/4.87m
Matt Roy	RD	29	4y/5.58m
TJ Brodie	LD/RD	34	3y/4.91m
Brenden Dillon	LD	33	2y/3.91m
Alexandre Carrier	RD	27	3y/3.57m
Nikita Zadorov	LD/RD	29	4y/5.10m
Chris Tanev	RD	34	3y/4.68m
Brett Pesce	RD	29	6y/6.72m
Matt Grzelcyk	LD	30	3y/4.07m
Oliver Kylington	LD/RD	27

Bottom-6 Forwards
James van Riemsdyk	W	35	1y/1.50m
Warren Foegele	W	28	4y/3.58m
Stefan Noesen	W	31	2y/3.23m
Danton Heinen	W	28
Tyler Johnson	FW	33
Alexander Wennberg	C	29	4y/4.21m
Jordan Martinook	W	31	2y/2.79m
Dakota Joshua	LW	28	3y/3.00m
Michael Amadio	W	28
Teddy Blueger	C/LW	29	2y/2.56m
Sam Lafferty	FW	29	2y/1.72m
Kiefer Sherwood	W	29
Mike Hoffman	LW	34	1y/1.86m
Tomas Tatar	W	33	1y/2.21m
Kyle Okposo	RW	36	1y/1.96m
Kasperi Kapanen	RW	27
Andrew Cogliano	LW	37
Jakob Silfverberg	W	33	2y/2.78m
Cal Clutterbuck	RW	36
Corey Perry	RW	39
Patrick Maroon	W	36
Yakov Trenin	LW/C	27	3y/3.33m
Dominik Kubalik	W	28	2y/1.34m
Anthony Beauvillier	W	27
Sam Carrick	C/RW	32
Tanner Pearson	LW	31
Zemgus Girgensons	LW/C	30	2y/1.74m
Colin Blackwell	C/RW	31
Brandon Duhaime	W	27
Nick Cousins	LW/C	30
Connor Brown	W	30
Joel Kiviranta	W	28
William Carrier	LW	29	3y/2.68m
Tyler Motte	W	29	3y/2.55m
Samuel Blais	W	28	1y/0.94m
Tyson Jost	C	26

Bottom-Pairing Defencemen
Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	3y/4.99m
Tyler Myers	RD	34	2y/2.67m
Justin Schultz	RD	33	2y/3.81m
Kevin Shattenkirk	RD	35	1y/1.37m
Jalen Chatfield	RD	28	3y/2.77m
Mike Reilly	LD	30	1y/1.24m
Dmitry Kulikov	LD/RD	33
Alec Martinez	LD	36	1y/1.7m
Tyson Barrie	RD	32	2y/3.72m
Jani Hakanpaa	RD	32	2y/2.38m
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Ian Cole	LD/RD	35	2y/3.09m
Matt Dumba	RD	29	3y/3.73m
Colin Miller	RD	31
Mark Giordano	LD	40	1y/3.11m
Marco Scandella	LD	34
Calvin De Haan	LD/RD	33
Josh Brown	RD	30
Ilya Lyubushkin	RD	30	1y/1.31m
Joel Edmundson	LD/RD	31
Troy Stecher	RD	30
Derek Forbort	LD	32
Erik Johnson	RD	36	1y/1.13m

Forward Depth
Christian Fischer	W	27
Craig Smith	RW	34
Victor Olofsson	W	28
Trevor Lewis	RW/C	37
Justin Bailey	RW	29
Kevin Stenlund	C/RW	27
Jeff Carter	RW/C	39
Ryan Carpenter	RW/C	33
Nicolas Aube-Kubel	RW	28	2y/1.53m
AJ Greer	W	27
Liam O'Brien	W	29
Chris Tierney	C	30
Mattias Janmark	W	31
Sam Gagner	RW/C	34
Brendan Smith	LD/RD	35
Eric Robinson	LW	29
Zach Parise	LW	39
Kevin Labanc	W	28	2y/1.94m
Fredrik Olofsson	C/LW	28
Alex Barre-Boulet	W	27
Matt Martin	W	35
Radim Zohorna	W	28
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare	C/LW	39
Tyler Pitlick	RW	32
Austin Watson	W	32
Tomas Nosek	LW/C	31
Jansen Harkins	LW	27
Rourke Chartier	C	28
Steven Lorentz	FW	28

Defensive Depth
Jack Johnson	LD	37
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Anthony Deangelo	RD	28	2y/1.80m
Jarred Tinordi	LD	32
Sebastian Aho	LD	28
Dakota Mermis	LD/RD	30
Jacob MacDonald	LD/RD	31
Dennis Gilbert	LD	27
Nikita Zaitsev	RD	32
Nick DeSimone	RD	29
Travis Dermott	LD/RD	27
Caleb Jones	LD/RD	27
Chad Ruhwedel	RD	34
William Lageson	LD/RD	28

Goaltenders
Cam Talbot	G	36	1y/1.89m
Ilya Samsonov	G	27	2y/3.26m
Alex Nedeljkovic	G	28	2y/2.00m
Kaapo Kahkonen	G	27	2y/2.93m
Scott Wedgewood	G	31	2y/1.57m
Casey DeSmith	G	32	1y/2.02m
Anthony Stolarz	G	30	2y/1.91m
James Reimar	G	36
Antti Raanta	G	35	1y/1.31m
David Rittich	G	31
Kevin Lankinen	G	29	1y/1.58m
Laurent Brossoit	G	31	2y/1.95m
Calvin Pickard	G	32
Martin Jones	G	34

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[Nucker101]

I love Don but man some of his hockey takes are brutal

 

[Vector]

Summarizing a bit...

- Dhaliwal thinks Lindholm/Joshua are 1-2 on the priority list. Thinks the Canucks really liked Lindholm at C and Pettersson on the W, compared it to when Horvat was here. Is it $7M a year? He's not sure. Joshua, will he get over $3? If he hits July 1st, does he get closer to $4?
- Zadorov - Dhaliwal thinks he's priced himself out of Vancouver, Milstein is in a good spot. Milstein wants term, wants over $5M - some say $6M.
- Myers - wants to come back. Has his off-season home in Kelowna. Can Canucks get him in $3M range? Or does he get $4M on open market? Doesn't think Canucks can afford to lose both Myers and Zadorov.
- Thinks Canucks will try to bring back Blueger.
- Hearing internally Canucks think Tanev will be too expensive July 1. Thinks Tanev's stock is on the rise. Phenomenal playoff, and outpricing himself.
- Hronek - if he keeps asking $8M, Canucks need to move on in his opinion. Ask is not going down. Strong because he has arbitration rights, and they'd do well.
- Silovs - "he's gonna get a raise". Expects him to be the backup next year. Cue big dust up between Don and Dhali about whether or not to move Demko (Don suggested it, Dhali hated it)
- Demko in Game 7 - thinks it was close, but he hadn't been in full practice yet. There's some out there who think he could have played.

Another thing is that Dhaliwal couldn't find anyone in hockey that thinks Hronek is worth 8m.

 

[Flik]

Another thing is that Dhaliwal couldn't find anyone in hockey that thinks Hronek is worth 8m.

That's because he isn't even remotely worth that lol

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I love Don but man some of his hockey takes are brutal

I think most of his ideas are purely to elicit a reaction from Dhaliwal and spark controversy/conversation.

Either that or yes, he's an absolute idiot.

 

[Nucker101]

I think most of his ideas are purely to elicit a reaction from Dhaliwal and spark controversy/conversation.

Either that or yes, he's an absolute idiot.

Yea I think it’s definitely the former lol

 

[vancityluongo]

Any long term signing is risky, but what on earth makes you think more than 3 years is "very risky" for this guy? he's almost 6 months younger than Elia Lindholm and people are tripping over themselves to sign him for 7 or 8 years at a materially higher cap hit. I threw out the Willie Mitchell comp earlier (partly to illustrate % of cap), but Zadorov is a lot bigger, tougher, more durable and has way better offensive skills. Mitchell, despite the concussion history, won a cup with LA at 35.

Zadorov is an old school Alpha predator. He hits like a train, is solid defensively and chips in at a top 4 clip at ES. I think he'll get close $5mm/5+ years and he's worth that IMO as he's capable of anchoring a 2nd pairing and eating a big chunk of PK minutes. The idea that he's going to suddenly turn into a pumpkin in three years is based in nothing resembling reality IMO.

the main thing is i wouldn't give him more than $20m - so whether that's 5m x 4yrs or 4m x 5yrs, either is palatable given the playoffs he just had. if he's getting into the 6s, no way in hell should that go beyond two or three years. if they really think he's the next chara, that has to be a short term bet - a 6.25x2 or 6x3 for example. a 6x6 could be absolutely crippling.

the difference with him and lindholm is the track record of their entire careers.

i agree with others that would have lindholm as priority #1, but i feel similar about keeping him as i did bo horvat. yes, good player, luxury to have at the 2C spot. bolsters the top-6 in the way that a true contending team is constructed. but just as i felt with horvat - lindholm should be closer to rnh in cost than to jt miller, and my worry is that he's asking for miller's contract.

 

[Wisp]

the number of Canucks fans who are precious about this group is nauseating. "no not so-and-so! He's the heart and soul!"

Fun group but it wasn't good enough. and 'not good enough' gets more expensive to keep in-tact. you have to revamp.

There's some really big name UFAs with connection to the Canucks - I don't want to miss out to overpay Zadarov and Joshua, or because we got too precious to trade Garland's 5 mill.

Like, imagine a world... Garland for picks, flip those picks to move Mikyeyev, that's almost $10million in cap space to bring in a Guentzal or Reinhart in UFA. And they could still re-sign Lindholm on top of that with the space they have now, if he enjoyed his time here.

 

[thecupismine]

I think most of his ideas are purely to elicit a reaction from Dhaliwal and spark controversy/conversation.

Either that or yes, he's an absolute idiot.

Don's always had a thing for t2 goalies who go on folk hero runs. Kirk McLean > Luongo in his eyes, so not surprised he wants Silovs over Demko

 

[Lindgren]

I think most of his ideas are purely to elicit a reaction from Dhaliwal and spark controversy/conversation.

Either that or yes, he's an absolute idiot.

Yeah, it's to get a reaction. He did the same thing with Mojonavich. It's shtick and it's boring.

Halford and Brough talked about this some time ago, about how in one of their American gigs they were told they needed to have more conflict, because that's what drives listeners. It drives this listener away.

 

[Peen]

Don’s got awful takes but I’ll never not like Don for being a big part of my childhood with the highlight package commentary

Essentially infallible in my books

 

[sting101]

Critical areas to improve considering who is not signed

1 - Top6 player for Pettersson.

Lindholm is the ideal player get it done. Can bumper the PP PK and allow Pettersson to play the wing and flexibilty for the top3 lines.....(Reinhart Guentzel Debrusk Duchene Toffoli)

2 - Top pairing RD

Hronek as disappointing as this 2nd half has been he's still a young guy who is learning and was obviously banged up. Him and Hughes tilt the ice and that's huge. Back up plan would also be dicey. (Roy is the only guy i could see us not having a huge step down in free agency and we would be selling low on Hronek

3 - Top 4 RD.................Myers......(Tanev Pesce Roy)

Myers at 2 x 3.5 vs Tanev at 2 x 5-5.5 if so has to be considered but we'll see how this breaks. I would think Myers takes a hometown discount and they make it work. Would like an upgrade but having some cost certainty and not venturing desperately into UFA has big value

4 - Top4/5 D.................Zadorov....(Dillon Edmundson Cole)

Hoping they can make it work with term but not holding my breath here. Alternatives are not that bad considering we can upgrade up front if we save money and still have Hughes Soucy barring any moves.

5 - Top9W with size.......Joshua ...(Bertuzzi Debrusk Mantha)

Cap dollars will dictate this as well as the organizations confidence in Podkolzin Bains Raty if they have to run it back cheap to fix the more important holes. I would think all the above are worse contracts than Joshua. pro scouting can hopefully unearth another gem if it gets to that point

Silovs is and should be the back up. A few good depth signings to replace whoever wants raises and who we can afford to try and upgrade in free agency. Gonna be an interesting off season sure glad it's not as long as prior years

 

[Wisp]

yes don taylor, the lesson about being forced to go to your third string goalie of course is to further reduce your goalie depth to pinch pennies.

Silovs has never played a starters work load before.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Friedman:
- Thinks they're going to take runs at guys "you don't expect they'll be able to keep".
- Thinks they'll talk to Lindholm, figure out the ballpark
- Thinks they know exactly what Zadorov is looking for
- They're going to try to make choices. I don't know if Lindholm is possible, it might not be, but he's probably the #1 guy they try to re-sign
- Rutherford and Allvin have taught us to expect the unexpected.

 

[supercanuck]

Summarizing a bit...

- Dhaliwal thinks Lindholm/Joshua are 1-2 on the priority list. Thinks the Canucks really liked Lindholm at C and Pettersson on the W, compared it to when Horvat was here. Is it $7M a year? He's not sure. Joshua, will he get over $3? If he hits July 1st, does he get closer to $4?
- Zadorov - Dhaliwal thinks he's priced himself out of Vancouver, Milstein is in a good spot. Milstein wants term, wants over $5M - some say $6M.
- Myers - wants to come back. Has his off-season home in Kelowna. Can Canucks get him in $3M range? Or does he get $4M on open market? Doesn't think Canucks can afford to lose both Myers and Zadorov.
- Thinks Canucks will try to bring back Blueger.
- Hearing internally Canucks think Tanev will be too expensive July 1. Thinks Tanev's stock is on the rise. Phenomenal playoff, and outpricing himself.
- Hronek - if he keeps asking $8M, Canucks need to move on in his opinion. Ask is not going down. Strong because he has arbitration rights, and they'd do well.
- Silovs - "he's gonna get a raise". Expects him to be the backup next year. Cue big dust up between Don and Dhali about whether or not to move Demko (Don suggested it, Dhali hated it)
- Demko in Game 7 - thinks it was close, but he hadn't been in full practice yet. There's some out there who think he could have played.

Maybe it's just me...but it makes no sense to have a franchise C (who has shown he could be a franchise C), pay him like one, and then move him to the wing...and then sign a guy who has never played to that level to be his C instead.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

- Rutherford and Allvin have taught us to expect the unexpected.

Guys, screw Lindholm...we are totally going to see Sidney Crosby in a Canucks jersey in October!

 

[Szechwan]

My problem with signing Lindholm and shifting Petey to wing is... why tf did we just pay 11.6 for a winger? That almost never works out favourably.

 

[arttk]

Maybe it's just me...but it makes no sense to have a franchise C (who has shown he could be a franchise C), pay him like one, and then move him to the wing...and then sign a guy who has never played to that level to be his C instead.

yeah that makes no sense... we have to get Petey and winger and then we will have 3 pairs.
Miller - Boeser
Petey - Stamkos/Guentzel
Lindholm - Garland.

Having 3 centers mean we can probably do some load management, especially for Miller so he stays fresh for the playoffs.

 

[canucksfan]

Are there any bonuses that will impact the cap?

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Critical areas to improve considering who is not signed

1 - Top6 player for Pettersson.

Lindholm is the ideal player get it done. Can bumper the PP PK and allow Pettersson to play the wing and flexibilty for the top3 lines.....(Reinhart Guentzel Debrusk Duchene Toffoli)

2 - Top pairing RD

Hronek as disappointing as this 2nd half has been he's still a young guy who is learning and was obviously banged up. Him and Hughes tilt the ice and that's huge. Back up plan would also be dicey. (Roy is the only guy i could see us not having a huge step down in free agency and we would be selling low on Hronek

3 - Top 4 RD.................Myers......(Tanev Pesce Roy)

Myers at 2 x 3.5 vs Tanev at 2 x 5-5.5 if so has to be considered but we'll see how this breaks. I would think Myers takes a hometown discount and they make it work. Would like an upgrade but having some cost certainty and not venturing desperately into UFA has big value

4 - Top4/5 D.................Zadorov....(Dillon Edmundson Cole)

Hoping they can make it work with term but not holding my breath here. Alternatives are not that bad considering we can upgrade up front if we save money and still have Hughes Soucy barring any moves.

5 - Top9W with size.......Joshua ...(Bertuzzi Debrusk Mantha)

Cap dollars will dictate this as well as the organizations confidence in Podkolzin Bains Raty if they have to run it back cheap to fix the more important holes. I would think all the above are worse contracts than Joshua. pro scouting can hopefully unearth another gem if it gets to that point

Silovs is and should be the back up. A few good depth signings to replace whoever wants raises and who we can afford to try and upgrade in free agency. Gonna be an interesting off season sure glad it's not as long as prior years

I wouldn't want to take on Tanev or Toffoli. I know he's shown incredible durability but eventually he's gonna slow down, right?

And Toffoli looked really slow in the playoffs, I think age has caught up to him. He could be a useful depth guy but I doubt he'll be cheap.

 

[Wisp]

Are there any bonuses that will impact the cap?

nope. but OEL buyout is $2.3m

 

[Baby Pettersson]

yeah that makes no sense... we have to get Petey and winger and then we will have 3 pairs.
Miller - Boeser
Petey - Stamkos/Guentzel
Lindholm - Garland.

Having 3 centers mean we can probably do some load management, especially for Miller so he stays fresh for the playoffs.

This would be amazing but no way we can fit that with the cap unless we don't sign Zadorov and Hronek.

 

[Bgav]

I would love to recoup some picks. Would trade Garland and Hronek. This may be our only chance to get a first for Garland

 

[credulous]

My problem with signing Lindholm and shifting Petey to wing is... why tf did we just pay 11.6 for a winger? That almost never works out favourably.

why'd they get rid of horvat if they're just gonna give almost horvat money to lindholm anyways? horvat was a real weapon on the power play (something they sorely need) and if they're going to walk away from hronek they got essentially nothing in return for horvat

 

[Jerry the great]

the main thing is i wouldn't give him more than $20m - so whether that's 5m x 4yrs or 4m x 5yrs, either is palatable given the playoffs he just had. if he's getting into the 6s, no way in hell should that go beyond two or three years. if they really think he's the next chara, that has to be a short term bet - a 6.25x2 or 6x3 for example. a 6x6 could be absolutely crippling.

the difference with him and lindholm is the track record of their entire careers.

i agree with others that would have lindholm as priority #1, but i feel similar about keeping him as i did bo horvat. yes, good player, luxury to have at the 2C spot. bolsters the top-6 in a way that a true contending team is constructed. but just as i felt with horvat - lindholm should be closer to rnh in cost than to jt miller, and my worry is that he's asking for miller's contract.

That makes absolutely no sense to me. The total value of the contract should be completely irrelevant to fans; AAV/cap hit are all that matter. picking $20MM as the max value of the deal just seems oddly arbitrary. His contract is almost certainly going to be 5+ years and a smart GM with an amenable owner will front load the deal so he's movable in the last two years if the team is uncompetitive and looking to sell assets. His cap hit is likely going to be somewhere between 5.5% and 6.5% depending on term and structure. The cost is the cost, and i think the value you get is easily worth paying the freight on this player.

My opinion on Lindholm hasn't changed much, even with his improved play in the post season, mostly for the reason you cite. $$. If he's looking for a deal that carries a $7MM+ cap hit over max term....thanks for the memories. I still believe that Pettersson is a C, and i would rather see them add a guy on the wing that is creative and can play with pace. Teravainen is a guy that could fit well and likely won't cost an arm and a leg. Arvidson is a candidate as well.

 

[crazychimp]

I think this core group has what it takes I also think Zadorov should be part of that core group. That OEL buy out is what will probably hurt us the most unless we play that Vegas ltir game.

Another thing I’m sure on bringing back is the goal song it’s our Chelsea Dagger.