Habs drafted 5 times in the top 5 in the last 20 years (6 in the last 40 years) but please keep on being clueless
Proposal: Habs 5th for Farabee and Frost
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Finding top pairing right hand Ds is much much more difficult then finding top 6 wingers.
Nothing wrong with rebuilding through defense, they are harder to find and more valuable and take longer to develop. You can draft forwards later and trade Ds to patch the wholes up front
Of course they need to draft a foward this years. If they draft a dman, major move will need to be made
No...
You draft the BPA. Or you trade down to gather assets.
You don't draft for needs at 5OA. If Levshunov oa there becaise the draft goes
Celebrine
Demidov
Lindstrom
Silayev
(For exemple)
You either draft him or you look at other trams for a pick around 8-9-10 + their 1st in 2025
HabsAddict
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If i had a dollar for every drafted player that didn't live up to their hype, I'd buy twitter and make billions....
Mickov can be a monster...or a one trick pony. Leonard can be a 30 goal scorer or another 15 goal bottom 6. Reinbacher can be a top 2 or afraid of his own shadow after a few plasterings.
Nobody knows what these kids will be like until they meet those hungry Neaderthals with sticks on frozen water.
That is also the reason i like trades for youngsters who have experienced getting clubbed in the NHL.
As for the trade, Farabee or Foester are the main meal and Frost is a side dish.
As for trading down with Philly, NO. We have no idea who is going to be left at 12. Even if you throw in Farabee/Foester, we can land up with a choice of duds. Remember, according to Doober Report studies, only 37% of first rounders play more then a 100 NHL games. Obviously the lower you ho, the worse the number.
Mickov can be a monster...or a one trick pony. Leonard can be a 30 goal scorer or another 15 goal bottom 6. Reinbacher can be a top 2 or afraid of his own shadow after a few plasterings.
Nobody knows what these kids will be like until they meet those hungry Neaderthals with sticks on frozen water.
That is also the reason i like trades for youngsters who have experienced getting clubbed in the NHL.
As for the trade, Farabee or Foester are the main meal and Frost is a side dish.
As for trading down with Philly, NO. We have no idea who is going to be left at 12. Even if you throw in Farabee/Foester, we can land up with a choice of duds. Remember, according to Doober Report studies, only 37% of first rounders play more then a 100 NHL games. Obviously the lower you ho, the worse the number.
HabsAddict
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You draft Levshunov and run...
According to some reports Levs is another Hedman, or at least Hedman Lite. We keep him or in a few years, trade him for a top young center like a Fantilli then a Zegras.
Also if Levs drops into our slot, the price will be far higher then my proposal.
This draft is full of dread...and opportunity.
That rd stuff is a little too much.
24: 3 of consensus top 6 dmen are rd
Next 4 are all rd
23: 4rd in first round out of 8 dmen
22 draft 9 dmen picked, 4 rd
Rd are everywhere.
You need 6 dmen and 8 wingers. Got to have some balanced approach.
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Curufinwe
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Despite being dicked around by Torts, he has scored at 2.03 P/60 at ES over the past two seasons.
That's the same rate as Suzuki.
Hockeypete49
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You better take a look at the Habs site. A lot of unhappy fans there. I hope Reinbacker knocks it out of the park for you but if there was a redraft of the 2023 1st round do you think you still take him at 5? Not a shot they do.
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Some Habs fans have decided the rebuild is over, regardless of what management has said.
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What do you mean by "dicked around"? Because as far as I can tell, Frost gets an extreme offensive zone push, weaker QoC and pretty good QoT relative to his team.
This mean nothing. I can find plenty of average player who have that kind of stat
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Fledgemyhedge
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Morgan frost? Really? Farabees something but frost shouldn’t be mentioned when talking a top t5pick. Not even close
we’re just scared to pick high at this point
we’re just scared to pick high at this point
In a real world scenario outside of the garbage pile that are the flyers and their coaching staff right now, Farabee alone has enough value to build around for a fifth overall pick in this draft. He could have easily reached 60 or 70 points this season if Tortorella wasn't a knucklehead. If you know you know and if you don't you think he's just a 20 goal scorer.
Rich Nixon
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What a weird and bad proposal. No reason for either team to consider. For the Habs, the value is f***ed up. For the Flyers...they literally only have RWs (Michkov, Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Atkinson, Hathaway). So trading their only good LW and C seems like a bad idea.
This. Frost and Farabee alike are both very, very skilled players who play in a directionless franchise that doesn't know how to actually utilize skill. Anemic powerplay, terrible player usage. Elite talents they are not, but they're both 60ish point top 6 guys on a normal NHL franchise.
Both suffer from the fact that the Flyers employ a lot of idiots both off and on the ice. Guys like Farabee and Frost require other dudes with brains to be effective. Both of them worked well with Giroux—hell, Claude said he thought Farabee would be the one to surpass his Flyers franchise point totals.
Problem is, there are about 4 players on the team who can actually think through a passing sequence. Tippett, Foerster, Konecny, even Couturier? Even when effective, those guys are morons in the offensive zone. Catch and shoot, nothing else (and if seeing Couturier there surprises you, recall that his 70+ point seasons came on a line with Giroux and Voracek—they handled all the thinking for him. When he's expected to be the playmaker on a line, he's atrocious).
Farabee was off to a lightning start playing with Brink, who is one of those few clever guys, until Torts soured on Brink's BALLSINESS or whatever and demoted/benched/sent down.
The very, very brief glimmer this season where the Flyers PP ran at roughly league average for a couple weeks came when they put Drysdale and Frost on the same unit and those two were able to rotate with each other and set up good looks.
Otherwise, they're just playing a different sport/in a different era than the rest of their team. The Flyers get almost all of their scoring in transition and very rarely hold sustained zone time. All chasing and shooting, very little patience and precision. Torts demands an active, inefficient forecheck: If you're not running into something in a corner, you're just not Playing the Right Way. Farabee and Frost, on the other hand, both function better when they forecheck high in the zone and read/intercept breakout passes—Frost is particularly brilliant at that. It's a great talent to have! But it's just not how the team wants them to play.
TL;DR is that the Flyers are a franchise run by retrograde idiots who assemble rosters full of one-dimensonal idiots and get mad when the non-idiot players try to play anything other than idiot hockey.
This. Frost and Farabee alike are both very, very skilled players who play in a directionless franchise that doesn't know how to actually utilize skill. Anemic powerplay, terrible player usage. Elite talents they are not, but they're both 60ish point top 6 guys on a normal NHL franchise.
Both suffer from the fact that the Flyers employ a lot of idiots both off and on the ice. Guys like Farabee and Frost require other dudes with brains to be effective. Both of them worked well with Giroux—hell, Claude said he thought Farabee would be the one to surpass his Flyers franchise point totals.
Problem is, there are about 4 players on the team who can actually think through a passing sequence. Tippett, Foerster, Konecny, even Couturier? Even when effective, those guys are morons in the offensive zone. Catch and shoot, nothing else (and if seeing Couturier there surprises you, recall that his 70+ point seasons came on a line with Giroux and Voracek—they handled all the thinking for him. When he's expected to be the playmaker on a line, he's atrocious).
Farabee was off to a lightning start playing with Brink, who is one of those few clever guys, until Torts soured on Brink's BALLSINESS or whatever and demoted/benched/sent down.
The very, very brief glimmer this season where the Flyers PP ran at roughly league average for a couple weeks came when they put Drysdale and Frost on the same unit and those two were able to rotate with each other and set up good looks.
Otherwise, they're just playing a different sport/in a different era than the rest of their team. The Flyers get almost all of their scoring in transition and very rarely hold sustained zone time. All chasing and shooting, very little patience and precision. Torts demands an active, inefficient forecheck: If you're not running into something in a corner, you're just not Playing the Right Way. Farabee and Frost, on the other hand, both function better when they forecheck high in the zone and read/intercept breakout passes—Frost is particularly brilliant at that. It's a great talent to have! But it's just not how the team wants them to play.
TL;DR is that the Flyers are a franchise run by retrograde idiots who assemble rosters full of one-dimensonal idiots and get mad when the non-idiot players try to play anything other than idiot hockey.
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mr figgles
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As a Flyers fan and a fan of chaos, I do it just to see what a team made up almost entirely of right wings would look like.
I am Canadian
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Ty Iglina would be much better than both of these Flyers players.
Can't ever see Montreal doing this.
Can't ever see Montreal doing this.
Scintillating10
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Suzuki is always matched against the other team's best line though. I remember some broadcaster showing the stats at like 2/3rd of the season and he had the 3rd best opposition in the league among all forwards. I don't know Frost a lot maybe its the same for him but that needs to be taken into consideration when talking about p/60.
And how does he compare to Suzuki at "all strength". You can't just take one aspect of his game and call him a 2C.
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