Value of: Habs moving up using the WPG 2024 1st (#26) + CAL/FLA 2025 1st + MTL 2024 3rd + PIT 2025 2nd

[Habs7631]

How far can Montreal go up from their second 1st rounder this year (WPG #26) using the following package.

1. WPG 2024 1st (#26)
2. CAL/FLA 2025 1st (Top 10 CAL protected, if CAL finishes inside the top 10 pick becomes FLA).
3. MTL 2024 3rd
4. PIT 2025 2nd

Would a team in the top 15 take that package to go down and pick 26?

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[Warh1ppy]

Why would they want to? That's a crazy amount of draft capital and that Calgary pick; if it is Calgary's, could easily be a top 15 pick on it's own

With the Habs still needing another full season or two to solidify their prospect core and shaking out a few meh contracts or at least come closer to those contracts being palatable for other teams to look for; losing that kind of draft capital just to move up in a very meh draft seems like trying to sleep your way to the middle

 

[Xirik]

taked the MTL 2024 3rd and add MTL 2025 2nd and I think you might find interest from Minnesota and Buffalo. Both their needs are at center and if they picked for other needs it would be a reach at their position at the draft.

More chance of them doing it if Helenius and Nygard aren't available at their pick.

 

[dgibb10]

Value is fair to get to 10th, NJD may consider depending on who is available when we make the pick.

You'd be looking at that 9th-13th range with that package, depending on how the florida pick is valued.

 

[Xirik]

Why would they want to? That's a crazy amount of draft capital and that Calgary pick; if it is Calgary's, could easily be a top 15 pick on it's own

With the Habs still needing another full season or two to solidify their prospect core and shaking out a few meh contracts or at least come closer to those contracts being palatable for other teams to look for; losing that kind of draft capital just to move up in a very meh draft seems like trying to sleep your way to the middle

I think Calgary is going to be near the bottom of the league next year so that would mean getting Florida's pick which would be on the opposite end of the 1st round.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Sure you’d get someone to bite

 

[Xirik]

Value is fair to get to 10th, NJD may consider depending on who is available when we make the pick.

You'd be looking at that 8th-12th range with that package

From my view

Kraken would definitely say no
Flames would definitely say no
I think Devils would want a player coming back, not draft picks.
Sabres is a possibility
Philly would want to keep their pick
Wild is possibility
Yzerman would want a Player coming back

 

[Warh1ppy]

I think Calgary is going to be near the bottom of the league next year so that would mean getting Florida's pick which would be on the opposite end of the 1st round.

Unfortunately, Calgary has this amazing ability to play themselves out of contention by winning games they shouldn't against teams they shouldn't in no win scenarios.

Hoping for a Calgary team to finish drafting top 10 could easily turn in to pick #11 rom the flames as much as say pick 28 from Florida

 

[dgibb10]

From my view

Kraken would definitely say no
Flames would definitely say no
I think Devils would want a player coming back, not draft picks.
Sabres is a possibility
Philly would want to keep their pick
Wild is possibility
Yzerman would want a Player coming back

I think replace the 3rd with a guy like Evans and the 2nd with a prospect like beck and NJD would bite 100%

 

[Xirik]

I think replace the 3rd with a guy like Evans and the 2nd with a prospect like beck and NJD would bite 100%

Maybe the Habs GM would be okay with that but trying to get a Habs fan to trade Beck is like trying to take a steak away from a hungry wolf.

 

[Habs7631]

Why would they want to? That's a crazy amount of draft capital and that Calgary pick; if it is Calgary's, could easily be a top 15 pick on it's own

With the Habs still needing another full season or two to solidify their prospect core and shaking out a few meh contracts or at least come closer to those contracts being palatable for other teams to look for; losing that kind of draft capital just to move up in a very meh draft seems like trying to sleep your way to the middle

We got a good prospect pool and a lot of picks in the next couple years. All these picks are surplus picks. We still gonna have a a 3rd and a 2nd in those drafts even after trading these ones. It's time to consolidate.

We need top end talent, there's a lot of potential game-breaker in the top 12, Let's consolidate and draft 2 of those.

Yes, this is a big package but you have to give to get. I know the typical offer of WPG 1st + Barron/Harris/Struble is what a lot of Habs fans want to throw out but that's nowhere near enough. Whatever team that would trade their top pick this year will lose out on drafting a forward like Catton/Eiserman/Helenius/Eiserman/Nygard/Sennecke or a potential top D like Buium/Dickinson/Parekh/Yakemchuk. For trading down out of that groupe you're gonna need to receive something serious in return, not Barron/Harris/Struble.

Value is fair to get to 10th, NJD may consider depending on who is available when we make the pick.

Which player do NJ fans think would have to be available at 10 for NJ to turn down this offer?

I think replace the 3rd with a guy like Evans and the 2nd with a prospect like beck and NJD would bite 100%

Maybe the Habs GM would be okay with that but trying to get a Habs fan to trade Beck is like trying to take a steak away from a hungry wolf.

For the 10th pick? Deal.

At 10, we'd get to pick one of Catton/Helenius/Sennecke/Buium/Dickinson/Parekh/Yakemchuk.

Losing Owen Beck isn't gonna stop me from getting one of those. Beck is gonna be a (potentially very good) bottom 6 player but we already have a couple good prospects for the bottom 6. Habs are lacking on top end talent, losing 1 of our multiple bottom 6 prospect to roll the dice on a top-tier talent is something I'm cool with.

 

[CanadienShark]

Value is fair to get to 10th, NJD may consider depending on who is available when we make the pick.

You'd be looking at that 9th-13th range with that package, depending on how the florida pick is valued.

That's absurd, hell no.

 

[dgibb10]

That's absurd, hell no.

That's objectively what it costs to move up 16 spots.

We got a good prospect pool and a lot of picks in the next couple years. All these picks are surplus picks. We still gonna have a a 3rd and a 2nd in those drafts even after trading these ones. It's time to consolidate.

We need top end talent, there's a lot of potential game-breaker in the top 12, Let's consolidate and draft 2 of those.

Yes, this is a big package but you have to give to get. I know the typical offer of WPG 1st + Barron/Harris/Struble is what a lot of Habs fans want to throw out but that's nowhere near enough. Whatever team that would trade their top pick this year will lose out on drafting a forward like Catton/Eiserman/Helenius/Eiserman/Nygard/Sennecke or a potential top D like Buium/Dickinson/Parekh/Yakemchuk. For trading down out of that groupe you're gonna need to receive something serious in return, not Barron/Harris/Struble.



Which player do NJ fans think would have to be available at 10 for NJ to turn down this offer?





For the 10th pick? Deal.

At 10, we'd get to pick one of Catton/Helenius/Sennecke/Buium/Dickinson/Parekh/Yakemchuk.

Losing Owen Beck isn't gonna stop me from getting one of those. Beck is gonna be a (potentially very good) bottom 6 player but we already have a couple good prospects for the bottom 6. Habs are lacking on top end talent, losing 1 of our multiple bottom 6 prospect to roll the dice on a top-tier talent is something I'm cool with.

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If Sam Dickinson is on the board I'm turning it down 100% and picking him.

 

[CanadienShark]

That's objectively what it costs to move up 16 spots. View attachment 874201


If Sam Dickinson is on the board I'm turning it down 100% and picking him.

The term "objective" can't be applied here at all. That's a rough estimation based on previous drafts. Or does the 2011 1st overall equal 2015 1st overall in your mind? You're also mistaking 2025 1st round pick (spot yet to be determined) for 25th overall this year.

 

[Lockin17]

For the 10th pick? Deal.

At 10, we'd get to pick one of Catton/Helenius/Sennecke/Buium/Dickinson/Parekh/Yakemchuk.

Losing Owen Beck isn't gonna stop me from getting one of those. Beck is gonna be a (potentially very good) bottom 6 player but we already have a couple good prospects for the bottom 6. Habs are lacking on top end talent, losing 1 of our multiple bottom 6 prospect to roll the dice on a top-tier talent is something I'm cool with.

Nahhh Beck is not going anywhere ,

 

[Benstheman]

From my view

Kraken would definitely say no
Flames would definitely say no
I think Devils would want a player coming back, not draft picks.
Sabres is a possibility
Philly would want to keep their pick
Wild is possibility
Yzerman would want a Player coming back

SJ would be interested imo.

 

[Benstheman]

I think replace the 3rd with a guy like Evans and the 2nd with a prospect like beck and NJD would bite 100%

way tooo much.

Two late 1sts picks gets you a middle pick.

 

[Scintillating10]

How far can Montreal go up from their second 1st rounder this year (WPG #26) using the following package.

1. WPG 2024 1st (#26)
2. CAL/FLA 2025 1st (Top 10 CAL protected, if CAL finishes inside the top 10 pick becomes FLA).
3. MTL 2024 3rd
4. PIT 2025 2nd

Would a team in the top 15 take that package to go down and pick 26?

Habs be crazy to move that Flames pick. Pretty good chance that's a lottery pick. Calgary is rebuilding and Florida has to make major changes to roster this off season

 

[Grinner]

SJ would be interested imo.

No, not really. They need quality not quantity.
They already possess 4 picks in the top 42 in 2024 and 2 1st round picks in 2025

 

[Benstheman]

Habs be crazy to move that Flames pick. Pretty good chance that's a lottery pick. Calgary is rebuilding and Florida has to make major changes to roster this off season

Calgary's pick CAN'T be a lottery pick. At best 11OA.

 

[TGWL]

We don't have enough of these.. We should create a thread and just change up package up, twice a day, at minimum.

 

[Scintillating10]

Calgary's pick CAN'T be a lottery pick. At best 11OA.

11th is good enough. It's deep draft. KEEP that pick!

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Imagine trading all that and CGY/FLA 2025 1st ends up being an 11th overall pick, in exchange for a 10-15 pick. There's no way CGY/FLA pick is getting traded with the presumption it's a low 1st.

 

[crowi]

I don't understand the allure of getting another high pick in a weak draft. Just trust your scouting and get a lot of free prospects.

 

[dgibb10]

The term "objective" can't be applied here at all. That's a rough estimation based on previous drafts. Or does the 2011 1st overall equal 2015 1st overall in your mind? You're also mistaking 2025 1st round pick (spot yet to be determined) for 25th overall this year.

It is an estimation of how teams will value it. Future picks are worth less than picks right now. Or do Montreal fans want to pretend it's going to be 11th overall? You're welcome to put some protections on it in that case.

The florida panthers are a powerhouse.

way tooo much.

Two late 1sts picks gets you a middle pick.

2 late 1sts gets you a middle pick yes, but not into the top 10. Some more value is required there.