Post-Game Talk: WCSF GM 4 | Oilers def. Canucks 3-2 (Garland, Joshua) | Thaaaaaaat sucked.

[ManVanFan]

Petey simply has to get into the war this is playoff hockey.

Tocchet's comments that there are more than a few passengers right now. Time for an actual line up shake up. Lafftery and Mikheyev should sit. Put Blueger to center for the best 3rd line in hockey this year and get Lindholm up with Petey to help him get going.

 

[credulous]

I'm obviously not going to win the Adams anytime soon, but I don't think Tocchet has handled EP well at all. Insists on stapling Mik to his wing, pushes his 40 goal winger out of town, and rotates AHL'ers on his other wing. On the PP, has EP just stand there to the side waiting for someone to feed him one timers.

Obviously, EP needs to take the blame here, but Tocchet is not helping. I'm not sure if he knows how to handle more offensive players like EP and Kuzy.

you can maybe afford to run a player like kuzmenko out of town because you don't like his playstyle but things are gonna get ugly if tocchet can't figure out how to get the most out of pettersson. that situation ends badly no matter how it's resolved

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

you can maybe afford to run a player like kuzmenko out of town because you don't like his playstyle but things are gonna get ugly if tocchet can't figure out how to get the most out of pettersson. that situation ends badly no matter how it's resolved

It's a fine balance because Boeser and Miller do better under this system.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

None.
Canucks were awarded a 4 min powerplay. Not anybody's fault but the players for doing diddly squat with it.

There is no 4min PP for a crosscheck to the head.

It should have been 5 and a game misconduct.

 

[MikeK]

Crazy to think the Canucks almost stole this one after basically sleep walking through the first 40 mins. What a wasted game all around. They wasted 6 mins of PP time early in the first and wasted a great performance from Silovs. They can't play for the last 20mins in the playoffs and expect to win many games. If this team can't get it going and put in a full 60 like they were doing against Nashville this series isn't going to end the way we want it to. A lot of players need to step up and get into the battles. Far too many players not pulling their own weight right now.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Crazy to think the Canucks almost stole this one after basically sleep walking through the first 40 mins. What a wasted game all around. They wasted 6 mins of PP time early in the first and wasted a great performance from Silovs. They can't play for the last 20mins in the playoffs and expect to win many games. If this team can't get it going and put in a full 60 like they were doing against Nashville this series isn't going to end the way we want it to. A lot of players need to step up and get into the battles. Far too many players not pulling their own weight right now.

Thing is...they maybe had 1 game in the Nashville series where they played a full 60 min.

 

[MikeK]

Thing is...they maybe had 1 game in the Nashville series where they played a full 60 min.

Wrong. I watched that entire series from start to finish and there were only a cpl periods where the Canucks weren't completely controlling the play. They absolutely played more than one 60 min game against Nashville.

 

[PavelBure10]

The Canucks got outplayed badly for 40 minutes. It's unfortunate taken then so long to out in a full blown effort. Silovs played outstanding and can only do so much with little run support. Glad Tochett called the team out after this one but a lot of the blame should fall upon his shoulders. The Mikheyev/Pettersson project hasn't worked all playoffs and the stubborn coach still staples them together. I am glad that after this loss it will force Tochett to finally switch up the lines. Demote Mikheyev to the 4th line or even sit him for all I care. Put Pettersson with a decent player and then see if he can produce before we go into the next level of criticism. It will be also nice to get Soucy back, sit Cole or Juulsen. Hronek needs to wake the f*** up, he has been very pedestrian these playoffs and there is no way I would sign him to a 8 mill contract. The boys need to show some urgency and play for a full 60 in game 5. Time to put out or get out in this one.

Go Canucks

 

[Paradise Circus]

Tocchet said it, too many passengers last night - playing PAUSE hockey.

Best of 3 series with two at home, lets go

 

[Brookbank]

If I see this right , Hoglander has the same ES goals as Connor Mcdavid. And Tocchet scratched him for 2 games. That's insane.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Tocchet has rarely (never?) called his guys out in the press before - so hopefully this is a nuclear deterrent wake up call for some of them.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

series isn’t over yet, Canucks have also shown an ability to bounce back from a bad loss with a win.

 

[Brookbank]

Tocchet has rarely (never?) called his guys out in the press before - so hopefully this is a nuclear deterrent wake up call for some of them.

He has before. He did after the Philly game. And a couple other times. He's probably being fair behind closed doors and this is just red meat for the bootstrap fans

Crazy to think the Canucks almost stole this one after basically sleep walking through the first 40 mins. What a wasted game all around. They wasted 6 mins of PP time early in the first and wasted a great performance from Silovs. They can't play for the last 20mins in the playoffs and expect to win many games. If this team can't get it going and put in a full 60 like they were doing against Nashville this series isn't going to end the way we want it to. A lot of players need to step up and get into the battles. Far too many players not pulling their own weight right now.

It was basically a must win game for Edmonton in their barn. I'm not sure why ppl thought this was going to be easy. The Oilers played their best most balanced game of the series at home. And still almost f'd it up.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

If I see this right , Hoglander has the same ES goals as Connor Mcdavid. And Tocchet scratched him for 2 games. That's insane.

Deservedly so. Hoglander has done nothing.

Seriously, my dude. Your obsession with Hoglander not drawing in is just silly. McDavid may not be scoring but he looks a whole hell of a lot more dangerous in a single shift than Hoglander has the entire playoffs. Putting Hog in wouldn't have changed a single thing last night.

Now I will say, he's earned a chance to redeem himself because it isn't like Karlsson was lighting the roof on fire. I do actually think Aman deserves to stay in. Lafferty can sit as he's been damn near uselesss--a far cry from his performance last year with the Leafs.

I'd be very tempted to try

Pettersson - Lindholm - Suter
Hoglander - Miller - Boeser
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
PDG - Aman - Mikheyev

While I'm hesitant to move Suter, the idea is to have two good players helping two struggling players. They can easily be moved back if it doesn't look good.

 

[rypper]

Nothing to suggest Edmonton won't win three straight and take this series. They've clearly been the better team so far and would be up 3-1 if Silovs wasn't ungodly in game three.

Every game has been a coin flip. Both losses we could have just as easily won. There's nothing to suggest Edmonton will win 3 straight.

 

[Bgav]

Frustrating way to lose but hey, we got the split and are going home in a good spot. Canucks played like dog shit yesterday. If they start showing some urgency and actually get shots on Pickard next game, wouldn't surprise me if we score 4+

 

[EpochLink]

series isn’t over yet, Canucks have also shown an ability to bounce back from a bad loss with a win.

Yep, they are capable of winning the next game after a tough loss.

 

[Bgav]

Vegas - Edm were 2-2 at this point last season as well FYI

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Vegas - Edm were 2-2 at this point last season as well FYI

Yeah. Game 5 blew the doors open for Vegas

 

[WiLBoY]

The Canucks got outplayed badly for 40 minutes. It's unfortunate taken then so long to out in a full blown effort. Silovs played outstanding and can only do so much with little run support. Glad Tochett called the team out after this one but a lot of the blame should fall upon his shoulders. The Mikheyev/Pettersson project hasn't worked all playoffs and the stubborn coach still staples them together. I am glad that after this loss it will force Tochett to finally switch up the lines. Demote Mikheyev to the 4th line or even sit him for all I care. Put Pettersson with a decent player and then see if he can produce before we go into the next level of criticism. It will be also nice to get Soucy back, sit Cole or Juulsen. Hronek needs to wake the f*** up, he has been very pedestrian these playoffs and there is no way I would sign him to a 8 mill contract. The boys need to show some urgency and play for a full 60 in game 5. Time to put out or get out in this one.

Go Canucks

Are you sure the Canucks got outplayed for 40 mins or the Oilers just decided to sit back due to a lead.

I have a feeling the Oilers could have dominated us for 60 minutes if they chose to. Only two that showed up to play was Garland and Silovs

 

[EpochLink]

Wake up call for game 5, time to show up

 

[Bgav]

Are you sure the Canucks got outplayed for 40 mins or the Oilers just decided to sit back due to a lead.

I have a feeling the Oilers could have dominated us for 60 minutes if they chose to. Only two that showed up to play was Garland and Silovs

Or their top players gassed... They are playing a lot of mins

 

[Diversification]

Or their top players gassed... They are playing a lot of mins

All of our players are gassed, physically, mentally or likely both. The last minute goal by the Oilers was due in part to a mental letdown that they were seconds away from resting between periods.

 

[Bgav]

All of our players are gassed, physically, mentally or likely both. The last minute goal by the Oilers was due in part to a mental letdown that they were seconds away from resting between periods.

Shouldn’t be no one’s really been playing crazy mins. Its time to start playing Quinn more tho.

 

[MikeK]

Loved the post game presser by Tocchet. Say what you will about his style of coaching, but the guy has been here many times before. Both as a player and as a coach. The guy knows what he's talking about and knows what it takes to win playoff hockey. He was clearly not happy and there are many players who will hear about it behind closed doors. It such a breath of fresh air and something this Organization hasn't had a lot of behind the bench.

I will be blown away if the Canucks aren't ready to go in game 5. I expect a much different team that game.