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[iceburg]

5x$3M and, at 28 years old, Joshua should go running to the bank. If he wants $4M+, it's on a 2 year deal.

 

[krutovsdonut]

getting reinhart right now would be buying high.

 

[krutovsdonut]

with joshua i'd rather pay a little more to get it down to 3 years. but it depends on what numbers they are discussing. i want to pay him, but i still tie his success to garland chemistry and tochett.

i do not understand why anyone would target laine. he's a guy you maybe consider if cbj is a motivated seller, but there are a lot of ways i'd rather spend his cap hit.

 

[credulous]

i still think people are being too sentimental about joshua. he's good because he makes 825k. pay him 4m and he's another mikheyev: a guy making too much for his role

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

If I'm Joshua, I'd wait until UFA. You just know that based on past July 1st, GMs are going to go nuts that day and overpay big time. A guy with Joshua's profile (big power forward that can PK and fight and chip in 15 goals 30 points) are prime candidate to get ridiculously overpaid. Even if he has a meh playoff, his regular season stats this year is going to guarantee a bidding war for him.

Even if the Nucks are presenting a reasonable offer right now, I'd wait. All it takes are 2 teams interested and bid against each other, and he can easily earn himself an extra few millions (over the term of the contract, not AAV).

i get all the reasonable reasons for a guy to sign now vs later. but you have to remember you don’t make it to the NHL without irrational self-confidence, especially as a depth guy. you need that delusional self-belief to make it past all the super gifted virtanens of the world.

and so if i am joshua, or his agent for that mattwr, i probably am talking out loud about how even broken down punch drunk and a soft breeze away from a permanent hospital bed ferland still got a four year deal totaling in the eight figures.

A month ago I was trying to figure out how they were going to sign all of Joshua, Hronek, Zadorov, Lindholm, Blueger, Lafferty, and DeSmith.

I actually don't see them re-signing Lafferty or Blueger this summer. Both have been great. But Podkolzin, Raty, Bains, Sasson, and Karlson are all making cases for bottom 6 roster spots next year. The least likely to make it is Karlson because of foot speed though he can clearly score at the AHL level and is decent defensively.

I just don't see them spending the extra $2M on Lafferty and Blueger when they have half a dozen players in the organization that are knocking on the door and, with internal competition, are not downgrades and may even be upgrades.

the other upside to letting our bottom of roster players go on to bigger deals elsewhere is guys will want to come here on show me deals because we can show that our coaching staff and team culture launches sustainable careers. (vs being where careers go to die, à la l’epoche benning)

 

[Diamonddog01]

i still think people are being too sentimental about joshua. he's good because he makes 825k. pay him 4m and he's another mikheyev: a guy making too much for his role

getting reinhart right now would be buying high.

Both valid points and no way I want anything to do with Reinhart at 10M.

In regards to Joshua, the difference for me is that he actually performs his role, and performs it well. He brings a unique skillset to the team (hits, fights, excellent at disrupting plays in the neutral zone, good pk'er, great along the boards) which really changes the dynamic of our forward group. Sort of like Soucy does for the defence (just comparing impacts, not styles of play). Mikheyev was supposed to bring certain elements and perform a specific role but has failed to do so.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Both valid points and no way I want anything to do with Reinhart at 10M.

In regards to Joshua, the difference for me is that he actually performs his role, and performs it well. He brings a unique skillset to the team (hits, fights, excellent at disrupting plays in the neutral zone, good pk'er) which really changes the dynamic of our forward group. Sort of like Soucy does for the defence (just comparing impacts, not styles of play). Mikheyev was supposed to bring certain elements and perform a specific role but has failed to do so.

Yea Joshua provide a dimension that we are lacking up front. If we can find a capable replacement at a cheaper price, then by all means go with that (although I think we should add another Joshua-type, instead of just replacing him, but that would be a luxury that we may or may not be able to afford). The biggest bonus of extending Joshua is his established chemistry with Garland and his familiarity with the system. You can bring in another player that should, on paper, fit perfectly. However, sometimes it just doesn't work out for one reason or another. If the cost is similar, I rather keep Joshua at a slight premium.

Also Reinhart is definitely having a career season that he is unlikely to repeat. I wouldn't want to pay market price ($10m+) for him. For a winger to be paid that much, he better be able to not only drive his own line, but pretty much be the engine for the team's offense (ala Panarin, Pasta, Kucherov, maybe M. Tkachuk). I don't think Reinhart is at that level.

 

[kcunac]

How accurate is this:
Hronek: 7.5
Podk: 1.25
Blueger: 2.5
Joshua: 3.25
Lafferty: 1.25
Zadarov: 7.75 *edit; typo, meant 4.75
Tanev: 4.75
Silovs: 1.0
++++++++++
Salary Cap = 87.7; Cancuks 23 Man Roster = 87.438

PodK-Miller-Boeser
Hogs-Petey-Mikhayev
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Aman-Suter-Lafferty
PDG-Bains

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Tanev
Zads-Juulsen
McWard

Demko-Silovs

 

[LemonSauceD]

How accurate is this:
Hronek: 7.5
Podk: 1.25
Blueger: 2.5
Joshua: 3.25
Lafferty: 1.25
Zadarov: 7.75
Tanev: 4.75
Silovs: 1.0
++++++++++
Salary Cap = 87.7; Cancuks 23 Man Roster = 87.438

PodK-Miller-Boeser
Hogs-Petey-Mikhayev
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Aman-Suter-Lafferty
PDG-Bains

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Tanev
Zads-Juulsen
McWard

Demko-Silovs

Zadorov 7.75??

 

[Vector]

How accurate is this:
Hronek: 7.5
Podk: 1.25
Blueger: 2.5
Joshua: 3.25
Lafferty: 1.25
Zadarov: 7.75
Tanev: 4.75
Silovs: 1.0
++++++++++
Salary Cap = 87.7; Cancuks 23 Man Roster = 87.438

PodK-Miller-Boeser
Hogs-Petey-Mikhayev
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Aman-Suter-Lafferty
PDG-Bains

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Tanev
Zads-Juulsen
McWard

Demko-Silovs

Zadorov is incredibly high. Blueger probably won't get that much of a raise, if any at all. I have no idea what Tanev will sign for. Given his age, injury history, and play-style it will be very interesting what he ends up at.

 

[kcunac]

Zadorov is incredibly high. Blueger probably won't get that much of a raise, if any at all. I have no idea what Tanev will sign for. Given his age, injury history, and play-style it will be very interesting what he ends up at.

Obviously term is important but I'll be happy if you're right.

Agree Zads is high for sure, but he might be worth it for this team.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

How accurate is this:
Hronek: 7.5
Podk: 1.25
Blueger: 2.5
Joshua: 3.25
Lafferty: 1.25
Zadarov: 7.75
Tanev: 4.75
Silovs: 1.0
++++++++++
Salary Cap = 87.7; Cancuks 23 Man Roster = 87.438

PodK-Miller-Boeser
Hogs-Petey-Mikhayev
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Aman-Suter-Lafferty
PDG-Bains

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Tanev
Zads-Juulsen
McWard

Demko-Silovs

I think most of those numbers are in the right ballpark, with the exception of Zadorov. You can slash a good 3m/yr off that or forget it.

I have mixed feelings on Hronek honestly. If he's willing to sign $7m or under then do it. Anything over 7 and I'm seriously looking into trade options. That's assuming players like Walker, Roy or Tanev are available at a reasonable AAV. This is going to be a tricky one to navigate, right side guys are not so easy to come by. There's a good chance we see more roster turnover this offseason than I think most people realize.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I would rather pursue Skjei at 7-8mil rather than paying near 8 mil for Zadarov

 

[vancityluongo]

don't think there's any chance matt roy as a michigan guy playing his entire pro career in california is signing in canada.

dylan demelo is a more realistic target for that role, and that's the guy in free agency i'd pay a huge premium for.

 

[Vector]

There's due to be a healthy number of free agent right shot defencemen: Montour, DeMelo, Walker, Roy, Carrier, Pesce, and Tanev.

I think Tanev will be their main target. Montour is probably going to get overpaid based on last season. Would be fine with any of the others since they all profile as perfectly cromulent 2nd pairing guys.

There's also a lot of guys that profile more as 3rd pairing right handers: Chatfield, Schultz, Hakanpaa, Barrie, Desharnais, Dumba, Miller, Brown, Lyubushkin, and Stecher.

Plus Tyler Myers exists.

 

[Vector]

In general, there's quite a lot of good, and weirdly young, defenceman heading to free agency. The right-most column is their AFP contract prediction. Age, I believe, is as of July 1st.

Shayne Gostisbehere	LD/RD	31	3y/4.38m
Brady Skjei	LD	30	6y/7.39m
Noah Hanifin	LD	27	7y/7.69m
Brandon Montour	RD	30	7y/8.71m
Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	32	3y/3.67m
Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	4y/5.07m
Sean Walker	LD/RD	29	4y/4.87m
Matt Roy	RD	29	4y/5.58m
TJ Brodie	LD/RD	34	3y/4.91m
Brenden Dillon	LD	33	2y/3.91m
Alexandre Carrier	RD	27	3y/3.57m
Nikita Zadorov	LD/RD	29	4y/5.10m
Chris Tanev	RD	34	3y/4.68m
Brett Pesce	RD	29	6y/6.72m
Matt Grzelcyk	LD	30	3y/4.07m
Oliver Kylington	LD/RD	27

---

Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	3y/4.99m
Tyler Myers	RD	34	2y/2.67m
Justin Schultz	RD	33	2y/3.81m
Kevin Shattenkirk	RD	35	1y/1.37m
Chalen Chatfield	RD	28	3y/2.77m
Mike Reilly	LD	30	1y/1.24m
Dmitry Kulikov	LD/RD	33
Alex Martinez	LD	36	1y/1.7m
Tyson Barrie	RD	32	2y/3.72m
Jani Hakanpaa	RD	32	2y/2.38m
Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	2y/1.41m
Ian Cole	LD/RD	35	2y/3.09m
Matt Dumba	RD	29	3y/3.73m
Colin Miller	RD	31
Mark Giordano	LD	40	1y/3.11m
Marco Scandella	LD	34
Calvin De Haan	LD/RD	33
Josh Brown	RD	30
Ilya Lyubushkin	RD	30	1y/1.31m
Joel Edmundson	LD/RD	31
Troy Stecher	RD	30
Derek Forbort	LD	32
Erik Johnson	RD	36	1y/1.13m

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I would agree if I didn't reply, then it would mean I couldn't care less because it's not worth addressing.

Since I replied, it means I could care less since clearly I care alittle.

…touché.

 

[bossram]

I would rather pursue Skjei at 7-8mil rather than paying near 8 mil for Zadarov

We have Soucy for 2LD. Fix the RD, there's no quality behind Hronek (who isn't even guaranteed to return!).

Matt Roy or Dylan Demelo in UFA.

The Skjei contract is going to be scary (as @Vector posted above).

I would rather pursue Skjei at 7-8mil rather than paying near 8 mil for Zadarov

There is 0% chance Zadorov will get $8M, lol.

I don't even want Z back, but that is crazy.

 

[TruGr1t]

I'd take Walker, Roy and Carrier on those contracts. Objectively, if Myers is actually a sub-$3M AAV I bet he's back.

Want nothing to do with Zadorov on that deal, and don’t love the term on Tanev.

 

[krutovsdonut]

How accurate is this:

Zadarov: 7.75

this is confusing

I would rather pursue Skjei at 7-8mil rather than paying near 8 mil for Zadarov

i'd rather sign oel, cousins and posposil than pay 8million for zadorov.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

He's probably asking for 10-11m.

I agree, but at the same time, I can see him ultimately getting $8.5-9.5 x 8 years. When was the last time a UFA cashed in who was a perennial sub-PPG player with a prior career high of ~30 goals that played on a top team and put up amazing stats for one season? I think his statistical history will lower his ask by at least 1-2 mill but we’ll see.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

I would like to take this post to recognize Vector's cromulent usage of the word, cromulent.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I would do the Pesce 6 x $6.75m deal, but prefer Roy or Walker at there respective level though, especially due to the shorter terms.

 

[CanuckleBerry]

I would do the Pesce 6 x $6.75m deal, but prefer Roy or Walker at there respective level though, especially due to the shorter terms.

Haven't Hurricanes fans been pointing out for a while now Pesce's marked decline? I don't watch that team much but I'd be careful of signing any player that looks like they are on the downswing out of their prime.

 

[Petey O]

People are getting freaking nuts with their evaluation of Zadorov. He's a good player, and brings an element this team would miss without him, certainly, but 7 million is outrageous for him. I wouldn't pay a cent over 5. If that means he walks, so be it.