The Fate of Dubas

[Golden_Jet]

Lol another one back from the grave

Don’t look now but Nylanderthal (noteeth) is back.

 

[andora]

Don’t look now but Nylanderthal (noteeth) is back.

 

[cupcrazyman2]

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Kyle Dubas has made some good moves, and some bad moves, and the decision to protect Justin Holl at the expansion draft could be the worst.

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[PromisedLand]

the kyle dubas era in a nutsheel -> using food analogy (p.s. it is a real menu and it pisses me off as a Leafs fan but then I see who is still at the helm running the show and.....)

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Dubas was an idiot

It's a fact. This season, the Leafs spent 48.5% of their salary cap on their top four forwards - Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, and William Nylander - according to CapFriendly. The Avalanche dedicate 44.3% to their top four, made up of three forwards and a defenseman. The Oilers pay 43.5% to their top four, also three forwards and a defender. The Bruins spend 40% on their top four, two forwards and two defensemen. You see the pattern here. The New York Rangers are closest to Toronto with 45.1% of the cap allotted to four guys, but they include two forwards and two defenders


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Keefe's inevitable exit doesn't solve Leafs' puzzle

The only surprising thing about the Toronto Maple Leafs' dismissal of head coach Sheldon Keefe is that it didn't happen a year ago.Yes, yes, there were complicating factors. Team president Brendan Shanahan was on the verge of bringing back general manager Kyle Dubas last spring when a late...

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[notDatsyuk]

Dubas was an idiot

It's a fact. This season, the Leafs spent 48.5% of their salary cap on their top four forwards - Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, and William Nylander - according to CapFriendly. The Avalanche dedicate 44.3% to their top four, made up of three forwards and a defenseman. The Oilers pay 43.5% to their top four, also three forwards and a defender. The Bruins spend 40% on their top four, two forwards and two defensemen. You see the pattern here. The New York Rangers are closest to Toronto with 45.1% of the cap allotted to four guys, but they include two forwards and two defenders


You need a #1D to win playoff rounds

Source

Keefe's inevitable exit doesn't solve Leafs' puzzle

The only surprising thing about the Toronto Maple Leafs' dismissal of head coach Sheldon Keefe is that it didn't happen a year ago.Yes, yes, there were complicating factors. Team president Brendan Shanahan was on the verge of bringing back general manager Kyle Dubas last spring when a late...

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Not that I dispute the first statement, but....

The top four players in terms of salary were Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Rielly. Their combined hit was over 49% of the cap.

Nylander was only the fifth highest paid.

This coming year will be worse, as Matty, Willy, JT, and Mitch will take up over 53% of the (projected) cap, with only the first two being close to value.

 

[Apex Predator]

Not that I dispute the first statement, but....

The top four players in terms of salary were Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Rielly. Their combined hit was over 49% of the cap.

Nylander was only the fifth highest paid.

This coming year will be worse, as Matty, Willy, JT, and Mitch will take up over 53% of the (projected) cap, with only the first two being close to value.

Didn’t realize it was 53% now. They can’t bring back the core 4 at over 53%.

 

[myleafs]

Didn’t realize it was 53% now. They can’t bring back the core 4 at over 53%.

They can and they probably will

 

[notbias]

Didn’t realize it was 53% now. They can’t bring back the core 4 at over 53%.

Florida had 45% last year on 4 forwards (+ their dead cap)...

If you compare it to the 48.5% we had this year, we are talking about a difference of just under 3 million.

Teams have done well with similar cap allocations.

It is not about the allocation but about the execution.

Not that I dispute the first statement, but....

The top four players in terms of salary were Matthews, Tavares, Marner, and Rielly. Their combined hit was over 49% of the cap.

Nylander was only the fifth highest paid.

This coming year will be worse, as Matty, Willy, JT, and Mitch will take up over 53% of the (projected) cap, with only the first two being close to value.

Florida had a 53% cap spent on their top 4 contracts plus dead cap space last year, like above, it is execution more than allocation.

Just for reference, Florida had around 6.5 million in buyouts.

 

[Egghead1999]

Dubas was an idiot

It's a fact. This season, the Leafs spent 48.5% of their salary cap on their top four forwards - Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner, and William Nylander - according to CapFriendly. The Avalanche dedicate 44.3% to their top four, made up of three forwards and a defenseman. The Oilers pay 43.5% to their top four, also three forwards and a defender. The Bruins spend 40% on their top four, two forwards and two defensemen. You see the pattern here. The New York Rangers are closest to Toronto with 45.1% of the cap allotted to four guys, but they include two forwards and two defenders


You need a #1D to win playoff rounds

Source

Keefe's inevitable exit doesn't solve Leafs' puzzle

The only surprising thing about the Toronto Maple Leafs' dismissal of head coach Sheldon Keefe is that it didn't happen a year ago.Yes, yes, there were complicating factors. Team president Brendan Shanahan was on the verge of bringing back general manager Kyle Dubas last spring when a late...

www.thescore.com

As I said before, the real problem is that the core4 cannot score in the playoffs, titans in the regular season but midgets in the playoff.

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Highly recommend checking out the latest episode of the Staff and Graph podcast.

TL;DR: Shanahan hasn't lived in Toronto the entire time he's been President. Has lived in New York. Numerous times over the Dubas era Shanahan has been unreachable via phone/text. The issue with this is Dubas needed Shanahan's permission to make certain trades. Last season, on good authority, Dubas had a time sensitive trade worked out and Shanahan was unreachable. Other teams GM got impatient and Dubas decided to go straight to the board to get permission. This led to the big power struggle between the two and ultimately ended with Dubas saying if you don't allow me to have permission to speak to the board, then there is no point in me being the GM anymore.

edit: Listening even more. They mention that last season there was a trade so massive that it would have shook the entire NHL let alone the Leafs. It was bigger than that rumoured Hagel+Fleury trade. Shanahan was MIA and could not be reached by Dubas. So he went to get board approval without Shanahan.. Board contacted Shanny later and Shanny said no.

They mention afterwards that the player(s) that would have been coming back to Toronto are still on the team they were on. So it wasn't the Karlsson deal that was rumoured to be nixed by Shanny.

 

[ACC1224]

Highly recommend checking out the latest episode of the Staff and Graph podcast.

TL;DR: Shanahan hasn't lived in Toronto the entire time he's been President. Has lived in New York. Numerous times over the Dubas era Shanahan has been unreachable via phone/text. The issue with this is Dubas needed Shanahan's permission to make certain trades. Last season, on good authority, Dubas had a time sensitive trade worked out and Shanahan was unreachable. Other teams GM got impatient and Dubas decided to go straight to the board to get permission. This led to the big power struggle between the two and ultimately ended with Dubas saying if you don't allow me to have permission to speak to the board, then there is no point in me being the GM anymore.

edit: Listening even more. They mention that last season there was a trade so massive that it would have shook the entire NHL let alone the Leafs. It was bigger than that rumoured Hagel+Fleury trade. Shanahan was MIA and could not be reached by Dubas. So he went to get board approval without Shanahan.. Board contacted Shanny later and Shanny said no.

They mention afterwards that the player(s) that would have been coming back to Toronto are still on the team they were on. So it wasn't the Karlsson deal that was rumoured to be nixed by Shanny.

How do these people know all this yet it's never come out before?
Unless they give details sounds like they are just looking for attention.

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is not about the allocation but about the execution.

No, this issue is , they are all forwards, no defenseman or a goalie in those 4.
It is about the allocation, it’s not distributed right.

 

[hamzarocks]

No, this issue is , they are all forwards, no defenseman or a goalie in those 4.
It is about the allocation, it’s not distributed right.

It is also the fact that playoffs are guys see a huge drop off in value

Tavares barely scrapes by giving us 4-5M in value

Matthews/Marner/Nylander all are 2-3M overpaid come playoffs time

Tkachuk, Ekblad, Barkov, Bob all give surplus value come playoffs these past 2 years

That + montour, verhaghe, forsling all being 2-3M surplus value players lets them get away with that type of allocation

 

[Golden_Jet]

It is also the fact that playoffs are guys see a huge drop off in value

Tavares barely scrapes by giving us 4-5M in value

Matthews/Marner/Nylander all are 2-3M overpaid come playoffs time

Tkachuk, Ekblad, Barkov, Bob all give surplus value come playoffs these past 2 years

That + montour, verhaghe, forsling all being 2-3M surplus value players lets them get away with that type of allocation

I wasn’t referring to just one team, none of the teams have 4 forwards in allocation.

But agree Florida is ahead in playoffs.

 

[hotpaws]

Highly recommend checking out the latest episode of the Staff and Graph podcast.

TL;DR: Shanahan hasn't lived in Toronto the entire time he's been President. Has lived in New York. Numerous times over the Dubas era Shanahan has been unreachable via phone/text. The issue with this is Dubas needed Shanahan's permission to make certain trades. Last season, on good authority, Dubas had a time sensitive trade worked out and Shanahan was unreachable. Other teams GM got impatient and Dubas decided to go straight to the board to get permission. This led to the big power struggle between the two and ultimately ended with Dubas saying if you don't allow me to have permission to speak to the board, then there is no point in me being the GM anymore.

edit: Listening even more. They mention that last season there was a trade so massive that it would have shook the entire NHL let alone the Leafs. It was bigger than that rumoured Hagel+Fleury trade. Shanahan was MIA and could not be reached by Dubas. So he went to get board approval without Shanahan.. Board contacted Shanny later and Shanny said no.

They mention afterwards that the player(s) that would have been coming back to Toronto are still on the team they were on. So it wasn't the Karlsson deal that was rumoured to be nixed by Shanny.

the funny thing about these stories is they make absolutely no sense

-why would Dubas be working on a trade so massive it would shake the NHL without Shanny having zero knowledge of it and if he did have knowledge of the framework of the deal why wouldn't he just have killed it before it was finalized ?

-why would the board be able to reach Shanny but not Dubas ?

-why would Dubas wait until the trade was finalized before asking for permission if he could make it , surely such a massive trade took time to negotiate and involved many people in Leafs mgmt so they should have been plenty of time for Dubas to ask Shanny if he approved and to get board approval ?

-why would it take a year plus for this massive story to be leaked ?

 

[ACC1224]

the funny thing about these stories is they make absolutely no sense

-why would Dubas be working on a trade so massive it would shake the NHL without Shanny having zero knowledge of it and if he did have knowledge of the framework of the deal why wouldn't he just have killed it before it was finalized ?

-why would the board be able to reach Shanny but not Dubas ?

-why would Dubas wait until the trade was finalized before asking for permission if he could make it , surely such a massive trade took time to negotiate and involved many people in Leafs mgmt so they should have been plenty of time for Dubas to ask Shanny if he approved and to get board approval ?

-why would it take a year plus for this massive story to be leaked ?

Pretty much said the same thing a moment ago here.

Player Discussion - Marner Discussion - Off Season Edition - (with Poll)

With all this talk of Marner I’m sure other GMz have at least inquired with Tre “what would it take?”

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[hotpaws]

Pretty much said the same thing a moment ago here.

Player Discussion - Marner Discussion - Off Season Edition - (with Poll)

With all this talk of Marner I’m sure other GMz have at least inquired with Tre “what would it take?”

forums.hfboards.com

yeah it makes no sense but people will buy it especially Dubies fan club

i find it interesting that this story and the one from Mirtle last year never name the players involved even though they have all this inside imformation

 

[IPS]

No, this issue is , they are all forwards, no defenseman or a goalie in those 4.
It is about the allocation, it’s not distributed right.

There is a belief among quite a few people that the goalie position can just be forgone entirely because of how much luck is involved with it.

 

[rocketman588]

Highly recommend checking out the latest episode of the Staff and Graph podcast.

TL;DR: Shanahan hasn't lived in Toronto the entire time he's been President. Has lived in New York. Numerous times over the Dubas era Shanahan has been unreachable via phone/text. The issue with this is Dubas needed Shanahan's permission to make certain trades. Last season, on good authority, Dubas had a time sensitive trade worked out and Shanahan was unreachable. Other teams GM got impatient and Dubas decided to go straight to the board to get permission. This led to the big power struggle between the two and ultimately ended with Dubas saying if you don't allow me to have permission to speak to the board, then there is no point in me being the GM anymore.

edit: Listening even more. They mention that last season there was a trade so massive that it would have shook the entire NHL let alone the Leafs. It was bigger than that rumoured Hagel+Fleury trade. Shanahan was MIA and could not be reached by Dubas. So he went to get board approval without Shanahan.. Board contacted Shanny later and Shanny said no.

They mention afterwards that the player(s) that would have been coming back to Toronto are still on the team they were on. So it wasn't the Karlsson deal that was rumoured to be nixed by Shanny.

Shanny should be canned also at this point.

But nixing trades that involved a bunch of picks and our one good forward prospect for Hagel and Fluery along with not letting him get Karlsson are both good moves.

Honestly we ended out ahead on the Hagel deal because we used some of those assets for Dubas's best trade in McCabe.

People talk about how he was going to move on from Marner before he got canned but just from circumstancial evidence including what he did when he got to Pittsburgh. That deal might have just been Marner for Karlsson which is incredibly stupid both in the short and long term.

I don't think I would have trusted him to make the Marner trade even if he didn't seem to have an EK addiction