Confirmed with Link: Toews signed to 7 year deal (7.25AAV)

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

someone on the main boards put it in a nice way, imo: Avs will be paying 16,25M for Toews-Makar. aka the best pairing in the league. that is a huge steal, no matter how you try to look at it.

You could have Nurse and Ekholm and enough cap space left over for a James Neal buyout though.

 

[Avs9296]

I bet everyone who catastophized about Toews contract must feel like a complete schmuck right now.

Nah, on to the next drama!

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I bet everyone who catastophized about Toews contract must feel like a complete schmuck right now.

No, they're too busy wringing their hands about Mikko Rantanen now.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I bet everyone who catastophized about Toews contract must feel like a complete schmuck right now.

Nope..

That feeling is immediately overshadowed by the glee of how underpaid he is.

I love this f***ing player!

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Balthazar]

That's a good contract, can't complain.

I take that back. I can and I will.

It doesn't look good right now, he regressed last year and he's regressing again this year. 7 more years can and probably will be very painful.

 

[cinchronicity]

This contract was always going to be ugly. Most figured by Year 3, but I am not surprised in the slightest that it is getting ugly in Year Zero. He played well in the SC season. But he was singularly responsible for at least 50 goals last season and he is damn close to averaging one goal caused / contributed to per game this season.

The question which should be asked is, "Can we get a decent 2C for Toews straight-up?" Better yet, could we try to turn this into a blockbuster, and move Toews, Ryjo, Ritchie and a 1st for a legit 2C with term and a cost-contained 4D?

Before the typical calls for my execution, remember that Landy has not been totally dismissed at this point, and his $7M could find its way back under the cap next year. Remember too that the regional sports networks are dropping like flies, which could have a negative impact on the cap in upcoming years. But let's face facts:

1) It is going to be hard to get value for Girard until he puts a solid year in, post-program.
2) Manson has an NMC.
3) Makar is absolutely not going anywhere.
4) The current bottom pair cannot get any cheaper - using Malinski and JMFJ for the time being, Behrens in the future.

The Avs are simply too top-heavy. Mac and Makar are worthwhile expenses. Mikko at $9 has potential to be worthwhile, if he could stay consistent. Mikko at $12M? Meh. Landy at $7M? Toews at $7.25M? That is the top 5 players eating $44.85M or 53.7% of the 2023 cap and 51.1% of the Bettmen forecasted cap for 2024. Then come new contracts for Mikko, Byram, Georgie ( or a replacement closer to $5M), LOC ( He is way outperforming his $1.05M AAV.) Kovalenko is likely to outplay his $985K salary and want more.

The absolute best-case scenario is that Landy returns for the playoffs, and 're-injures' himself with 2 minutes to go in a 6-1 blowout in Game 7 of the SCF. He can then sail into the LTIR sunset, negating that incredibly stupid contract. Even then one more bloated salary is going to have to be jettisoned. Is it Mikko? If given a choice between Mikko going, or Toews going, who do you choose?

 

[SirLoinOfCloth]

 

[AllAboutAvs]

This contract was always going to be ugly. Most figured by Year 3, but I am not surprised in the slightest that it is getting ugly in Year Zero. He played well in the SC season. But he was singularly responsible for at least 50 goals last season and he is damn close to averaging one goal caused / contributed to per game this season.

The question which should be asked is, "Can we get a decent 2C for Toews straight-up?" Better yet, could we try to turn this into a blockbuster, and move Toews, Ryjo, Ritchie and a 1st for a legit 2C with term and a cost-contained 4D?

Before the typical calls for my execution, remember that Landy has not been totally dismissed at this point, and his $7M could find its way back under the cap next year. Remember too that the regional sports networks are dropping like flies, which could have a negative impact on the cap in upcoming years. But let's face facts:

1) It is going to be hard to get value for Girard until he puts a solid year in, post-program.
2) Manson has an NMC.
3) Makar is absolutely not going anywhere.
4) The current bottom pair cannot get any cheaper - using Malinski and JMFJ for the time being, Behrens in the future.

The Avs are simply too top-heavy. Mac and Makar are worthwhile expenses. Mikko at $9 has potential to be worthwhile, if he could stay consistent. Mikko at $12M? Meh. Landy at $7M? Toews at $7.25M? That is the top 5 players eating $44.85M or 53.7% of the 2023 cap and 51.1% of the Bettmen forecasted cap for 2024. Then come new contracts for Mikko, Byram, Georgie ( or a replacement closer to $5M), LOC ( He is way outperforming his $1.05M AAV.) Kovalenko is likely to outplay his $985K salary and want more.

The absolute best-case scenario is that Landy returns for the playoffs, and 're-injures' himself with 2 minutes to go in a 6-1 blowout in Game 7 of the SCF. He can then sail into the LTIR sunset, negating that incredibly stupid contract. Even then one more bloated salary is going to have to be jettisoned. Is it Mikko? If given a choice between Mikko going, or Toews going, who do you choose?

There is absolutely no way the Avs trade Toews before his contract even kicks in when he could have got more on the market. That would be a low blow. That is just not their MO and in their character to do something like that.

 

[cinchronicity]

There is absolutely no way the Avs trade Toews before his contract even kicks in when he could have got more on the market. That would be a low blow. That is just not their MO and in their character to do something like that.

Which is precisely why many in this forum considered moving him prior to a new contract. I have no animus toward Toews. That said, the salary cap is the salary cap. Defensemen eat 34.7% of the cap the minute Toews new contract kicks in. That is not sustainable.

Then again, Mack( $12.6), Mikko ( $12) and Nuke ( $6.25) at$31M AVV in 2025 Isn't sustainable for a single line, either.

The solution is not to allow Lehky, LOC, Drouin, etc. go in favor of a dozen PTO-level contracts. One huge chunk - on top of Landy - is going to have to go. Hell, that is how we got Toews in the first place for a pair of 2nds.

 

[henchman21]

Alright… who is executing @cinchronicity

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Which is precisely why many in this forum considered moving him prior to a new contract. I have no animus toward Toews. That said, the salary cap is the salary cap. Defensemen eat 34.7% of the cap the minute Toews new contract kicks in. That is not sustainable.

Then again, Mack( $12.6), Mikko ( $12) and Nuke ( $6.25) at$31M AVV in 2025 Isn't sustainable for a single line, either.

The solution is not to allow Lehky, LOC, Drouin, etc. go in favor of a dozen PTO-level contracts. One huge chunk - on top of Landy - is going to have to go. Hell, that is how we got Toews in the first place for a pair of 2nds.

I don't disagree with this. I was just addressing your comment about trading Toews this summer prior to his contract kicking in. That is not going to happen considering who are in charge.

Alright… who is executing @cinchronicity

Not understanding that comment.

 

[henchman21]

I don't disagree with this. I was just addressing your comment about trading Toews this summer prior to his contract kicking in. That is not going to happen considering who are in charge.


Not understanding that comment.

Ctrl + F

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Ctrl + F

I must be slow as I still don't understand. LOL

 

[henchman21]

I must be slow as I still don't understand. LOL

Read through @cinchronicity posts

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Positive: it's not a bad contract until it begins.

Enjoy!

 

[obZen]

Toews currently has a seven game point streak.

 

[Ararana]

This contract was always going to be ugly. Most figured by Year 3, but I am not surprised in the slightest that it is getting ugly in Year Zero. He played well in the SC season. But he was singularly responsible for at least 50 goals last season and he is damn close to averaging one goal caused / contributed to per game this season.

The question which should be asked is, "Can we get a decent 2C for Toews straight-up?" Better yet, could we try to turn this into a blockbuster, and move Toews, Ryjo, Ritchie and a 1st for a legit 2C with term and a cost-contained 4D?

Before the typical calls for my execution, remember that Landy has not been totally dismissed at this point, and his $7M could find its way back under the cap next year. Remember too that the regional sports networks are dropping like flies, which could have a negative impact on the cap in upcoming years. But let's face facts:

1) It is going to be hard to get value for Girard until he puts a solid year in, post-program.
2) Manson has an NMC.
3) Makar is absolutely not going anywhere.
4) The current bottom pair cannot get any cheaper - using Malinski and JMFJ for the time being, Behrens in the future.

The Avs are simply too top-heavy. Mac and Makar are worthwhile expenses. Mikko at $9 has potential to be worthwhile, if he could stay consistent. Mikko at $12M? Meh. Landy at $7M? Toews at $7.25M? That is the top 5 players eating $44.85M or 53.7% of the 2023 cap and 51.1% of the Bettmen forecasted cap for 2024. Then come new contracts for Mikko, Byram, Georgie ( or a replacement closer to $5M), LOC ( He is way outperforming his $1.05M AAV.) Kovalenko is likely to outplay his $985K salary and want more.

The absolute best-case scenario is that Landy returns for the playoffs, and 're-injures' himself with 2 minutes to go in a 6-1 blowout in Game 7 of the SCF. He can then sail into the LTIR sunset, negating that incredibly stupid contract. Even then one more bloated salary is going to have to be jettisoned. Is it Mikko? If given a choice between Mikko going, or Toews going, who do you choose?

Great post but the time to trade Toews was summer '23 if they were going to do it. Clearly they never had any intentions of moving on from him which, while that wasn't what I would have done, I get it - they want to win now and go out sooner with the core they have. Fair enough.

But where they f***ed themsevles - if you were going to anchor yourself to an aging core, they should have just given Kadri the money he wanted and did it properly. He fits the window, and the years of pain to follow, perfectly with the other guys.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Toews is still awesome.

 

[Avs_19]

Toews is still awesome.

He's incredible. IMO, the extension is even more important now with Byram's regression/plateau.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

He's incredible. IMO, the extension is even more important now with Byram's regression/plateau.

Yeah can you imagine the leverage he'd have on the Avs at this point?

Girard in rehab, Byram playing like he should be in rehab.

Dude could have asked for $10M and the Avs probably would have had to give it to him given what the other two yahoo's are doing.

 

[ABasin]

Alright… who is executing @cinchronicity

LOL.

IMO, Toews has been pretty darn good, particularly lately.

I'll offer up an opinion that might not be terribly popular, but Toews' defensive partner (yes - him) has been quite mediocre defensively for large parts of this season. Toews has often been the better player of the two in his own zone.

 

[Alienblood]

LOL.

IMO, Toews has been pretty darn good, particularly lately.

I'll offer up an opinion that might not be terribly popular, but Toews' defensive partner (yes - him) has been quite mediocre defensively for large parts of this season. Toews has often been the better player of the two in his own zone.

Well Makar isn't and has never been great in some aspects defensively.

 

[Avs9296]

His play last night was phenomenal. Especially in OT.