WarriorofTime
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How nihilisticUnless they win some series those are completely meaningless achievements.
How nihilisticUnless they win some series those are completely meaningless achievements.
Maybe...Fueled by Ovechkin's hot streak, they make the postseason against all odds. That's the sort of insane and close to unprecedented longevity that makes Ovechkin borderline unpassable given how great his peak was for a guy like Kucherov.
Why only look at last month? Ovechkin scored lots post all star breakMaybe...
The Capitals were 21st in pts% over the last month and made the playoffs because of a (narrowly) unnecessary empty net goal in a tied game.
Ovechkin is 73rd in points during that time.
Their pts% has gone down over the last 15 games...it's Philadelphia (in particular) and Detroit completely cratering that was against all odds. The Capitals played the same hockey they had been playing...
How do you figure that? By that kind of logic, Marcel Dionne might as well not exist. Of course those achievements mean something. They add to Ovechkin's legacy.Unless they win some series those are completely meaningless achievements.
How do you figure that? By that kind of logic, Marcel Dionne might as well not exist. Of course those achievements mean something. They add to Ovechkin's legacy.
I'd actually be inclined to think that he scores more next year because of the ice cold start that he had this season. But either way, if he plays 2 more seasons, he's likely to break Gretzky's record. But more importantly, what he (and Crosby, for that matter) is doing right now is showing off incredible longevity. I put some value in that. He's not just barely hanging on in his late 30s, he's actually a major contributor.Well scoring 30 goals is nice(especially at his age), but I don't see how this season makes Ovechkin look any better as a player. This season(and the next few where he will likely score less) will only mean something if he manages to break Gretzky's goal scoring record.
Great post. Everyone in history except Mario, Wayne and Orr can be threatned or lose to a great player having a peak season. Thornton and Sakic both showed that with Jagr, but when Lafontaine and Yzerman peaked against Mario they were still nowhere close.I wonder what you think about peak Sidney Crosby getting outscored and out-MVP'd by Henrik Sedin of all people. How much of a wrench does a fringe top 200 player outscoring peak Crosby, peak Malkin and peak Ovechkin throw into the narratives?
It's hard to take at face value that Crosby/Malkin/OV had great peaks considering Sedin scored in the same ballpark in the same era.
Peak point total after scoring decrease in 07:
Crosby 109
Malkin 113
Ovechkin 112
H. Sedin 112
Joe Sakic who arguably was not on track for top 50 all time at 31 had a peak season that was arguably better than Jagr's peak. Should we re-evaluate and tone down Jagr's seasons too or does this standard only apply to McDavid, where having ~dozen goal gap to the second best season of the era means his peak should for some reason not be taken at face value?
Orr did in 1971, 1974, etc....Everyone in history except Mario, Wayne and Orr can be threatned or lose to a great player having a peak season.
In Orrs case I mean for the Norris/best defenseman title. Peak Lidstrom and Bourque could lose a Norris to great but lesser players like Pronger but that would not happen to Orr.Orr did in 1971, 1974, etc....
are we excluding teammate ?
Are you talking about the Hart? By that point, it had already become difficult for a defenseman to win the Hart. Before Orr in 1970, it had been 26 years since it had happened. The fact that he won it at all, let alone three times is telling. Also, if you're referring to the Hart, I think you mean 1969 instead of 1971. Orr did win it in 1971. If you're talking about the Art Ross, it's even more absurd that Orr won it multiple times. I think it's fair to call Orr unbeatable.Orr did in 1971, 1974, etc....
are we excluding teammate ?
Was more asking what was the statement made, unbeatable at what ?Are you talking about the Hart?
Start with studying Soviet stats
No.He was a lot like a Guy LaFleur; the unpredictable type you gave the puck to and said....go! And everybody else made sure to keep their sticks on the ice.
The patterned 3-man interplay style didn't always serve his best attribute, which was unpredictable spontaneity.
Ovechkin passes Gordie Howe to move to 10th highest scoring Age 38 season in NHL history, and moves to tie Johnny Bucyck for 2nd highest age 38 goal scoring season of all time. Caps lose both of their top 2 centers. Capitals sell at the deadline. Fueled by Ovechkin's hot streak, they make the postseason against all odds. That's the sort of insane and close to unprecedented longevity that makes Ovechkin borderline unpassable given how great his peak was for a guy like Kucherov.
Name 20Plenty of elite players in hockey history have the longevity of Ovechkin.
Plenty of elite players in hockey history have the longevity of Ovechkin. NHL history is not uncommon for 38-year-old players. Malkin, Crosby and Pavelski do the same thing. Selanne and Jagr went up to 44 and 46. Thornton, Marleau, Lidstrom, Alfredsson, etc... until early 40.
In McDavid's generation, there will be several elite players who will play until age 40. Why not Kucherov ? He reached his peak at age 31 and is elite since 10 years. He's not going to collapse at 32.
Easy.Name 20
SelanneNot as top level goalscorers they haven't.
You were talking about exceptional longevity, you have it.Hey I didn't just ask for a list of players that played until they were old.
This has got to be the dumbest argument. Why didn’t Kucherov put up Malkin esque numbers when he wasn’t on the top line then? Why’d it take him six years after being drafted to even put up a PPG season? What a tiresome argument.As far as the Malkin comparisons go, you also have to consider that Malkin had the benefit of being sheltered on the second line with a superior teammate in Crosby drawing the toughest defensive matchups most of the time. Kucherov is the guy on his team that opponents scheme to stop and put their best defenders against.
You think playing 13 minutes then 15 minutes is the same as 19 minutes then 21 minutes?This has got to be the dumbest argument. Why didn’t Kucherov put up Malkin esque numbers when he wasn’t on the top line then? Why’d it take him six years after being drafted to even put up a PPG season? What a tiresome argument.
If Kucherov was as good as Malkin or Ovechkin he would have been way better way sooner.