Value of: Stamkos

[canuckslover10]

With the lightning being quite mediocre by their standards I think it's time for them to make the rational yet emotional choice of trading away Stamkos and using that new found capspace to get much needed depth, IMO getting rid of Stamkos extends their window.

Stamkos stats right now are
Gp(23) G(10) A(14) P(24) +/- (-15) TOI (18:28)

Stamkos contract
1 Year left at 8.5 Million with a NTC and he is 33 years old will turn 34 in February

Assuming Stamkos waives his NTC what do you think the Lightning could get for him, personally I'd target picks and prospects and use that to get some win now players either at the TDL or next off season.

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[AndreRoy]

With the lightning being quite mediocre by their standards I think it's time for them to make the rational yet emotional choice of trading away Stamkos and using that new found capspace to get much needed depth, IMO getting rid of Stamkos extends their window.

Stamkos stats right now are
Gp(23) G(10) A(14) P(24) +/- (-15) TOI (18:28)

Stamkos contract
1 Year left at 8.5 Million with a NTC and he is 33 years old will turn 34 in February

Assuming Stamkos waives his NTC what do you think the Lightning could get for him, personally I'd target picks and prospects and use that to get some win now players either at the TDL or next off season.

Stamkos is a UFA after this season. They aren’t going to get anything for him at the deadline that will outweigh his loss and make them a better team now, so unless they’re clearly out of the playoff race by the deadline they aren’t moving him. Either he’ll re-sign for less money to finish his career in Tampa, or he’ll walk in free agency.

 

[canuckslover10]

Stamkos is a UFA after this season. They aren’t going to get anything for him at the deadline that will outweigh his loss and make them a better team now, so unless they’re clearly out of the playoff race by the deadline they aren’t moving him. Either he’ll re-sign for less money to finish his career in Tampa, or he’ll walk in free agency.

Sure they may lose out this year, which most likely will happen even with Stamkos in the lineup, although if they make the right trade and get some younger pieces back and can get a top 4 RHD and a top 6 forward with the newfound capspace and assets next offseason IMO they will extend their cup contention window.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Sure they may lose out this year, which most likely will happen even with Stamkos in the lineup, although if they make the right trade and get some younger pieces back and can get a top 4 RHD and a top 6 forward with the newfound capspace and assets next offseason IMO they will extend their cup contention window.

I think they're better off just getting creative with Stammer's next contract.

Do something like 4 or 5mil for 7/8 years and use the savings to get that defenseman you mentioned rostered.

Stamkos likely nets more from that type of deal than a short term high aav one that teams would be offering in free agency. Tampa can pry open the window slightly longer and keep their franchise player as a bolt for his whole career.

 

[AndreRoy]

I think they're better off just getting creative with Stammer's next contract.

Do something like 4 or 5mil for 7/8 years and use the savings to get that defenseman you mentioned rostered.

Stamkos likely nets more from that type of deal than a short term high aav one that teams would be offering in free agency. Tampa can pry open the window slightly longer and keep their franchise player as a bolt for his whole career.

Even if Stammer would sign that cheaply it wouldn’t leave as much cap space as you’d think - they’re that tight up against the cap. If they really want to free up room to improve their depth they’ll have to look at moving Cirelli or Sergachev. Either of those guys would return more than a rental Stamkos and would leave plenty of room with which to address their depth.

But the point everybody seems to be missing is that cap space alone doesn’t solve their problems - the Lightning would still need to acquire players worth spending it on. And they have little left in their system with which to trade for quality roster players, while going the UFA route almost always means overpaying for somebody who likely wouldn’t come much cheaper or do much better than Cirelli and Sergachev are. So unless there’s a team desperate enough for center or defensive help that they’ll offer multiple quality depth pieces for one of those guys, or a top tier UFA who’s willing to sign for less than he could otherwise get in order to chase a Cup in Tampa, it’s uncertain that trading them would actually accomplish much of anything.

 

[Rschmitz]

Stamkos has a NMC so he isn’t going anywhere this season. You also can’t let him walk without being certain that you can bring in who you want to improve the team. He isn’t easily replaceable

 

[canuckslover10]

Stamkos has a NMC so he isn’t going anywhere this season. You also can’t let him walk without being certain that you can bring in who you want to improve the team. He isn’t easily replaceable

As stated the assumption is Stamkos is willing to waive his NTC cause he knows TBL won't re-sign in this scenario. The lightning should be able to find players either via trade or UFA especially due to one the potential assets they receive from a Stamkos trade, and the tax breaks players receive in a place like Tampa so they would be making more money. Personally I know it would be an absolutely cold move by management but this seems like the best way to extend their cup window over the next 5 years.

 

[Henkka]

Stamkos and Detroit could be a fit.

 

[M Ace]

Looks like Rags all over Stamkos…

 

[Djp]

Sure they may lose out this year, which most likely will happen even with Stamkos in the lineup, although if they make the right trade and get some younger pieces back and can get a top 4 RHD and a top 6 forward with the newfound capspace and assets next offseason IMO they will extend their cup contention window.

He’s not returning some elite prospect Or some solid young players.

last year ROR returned a first round pick because of low actual owed money making it easier for a third team to retain. Tampa likely needs a third team at a much higher cost like a 2nd/3rd to get thrm to pass thru retain. Thst hurts the return.

 

[AndreRoy]

He’s not returning some elite prospect Or some solid young players.

last year ROR returned a first round pick because of low actual owed money making it easier for a third team to retain. Tampa likely needs a third team at a much higher cost like a 2nd/3rd to get thrm to pass thru retain. Thst hurts the return.

What on earth are you talking about? ROR, along with Noel Acciari, returned a first, a second, a third, and two prospects. Just how much of that do you attribute to Acciari?

You are correct that Stamkos won’t return an elite prospect, as nobody gives those up for a rental. A solid (non-elite) young player however could be a possibility, though it would likely require either a trading partner with a glut at another position (for instance, a team loaded with young defensemen that could afford to give one away to significantly upgrade their scoring) or a third team to be involved in the deal (in that scenario the Lightning would essentially be trading Stamkos for the usual picks and prospects and then swapping them with the third team for the young roster player.)

All this assumes, however, that the Lightning are solidly out of the playoffs by the deadline. Otherwise the Bolts keep Stammer for one last run at the Cup and then see if he’s willing to accept less money to stick around in Tampa.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

He’s potentially Carolina’s missing piece. That one-time threat from the left half wall could be the difference between a cup winning PP and the one that’s at 14.2% over the past 5 playoffs.

If Stamkos is amicable to an extension, Necas wouldn’t be off the table; it’s just moving the timeline up a bit as the Canes have to commit to him this Summer or trade him.

 

[Djp]

What on earth are you talking about? ROR, along with Noel Acciari, returned a first, a second, a third, and two prospects. Just how much of that do you attribute to Acciari?

You are correct that Stamkos won’t return an elite prospect, as nobody gives those up for a rental. A solid (non-elite) young player however could be a possibility, though it would likely require either a trading partner with a glut at another position (for instance, a team loaded with young defensemen that could afford to give one away to significantly upgrade their scoring) or a third team to be involved in the deal (in that scenario the Lightning would essentially be trading Stamkos for the usual picks and prospects and then swapping them with the third team for the young roster player.)

I looked Stamkos has a similar structure to ROR so salary is cheap so it doesnt cost much for a 3rd team to be involved.

As a rental he is not getting back and established prospect....especially one at D unless you take the D instead of a 1st then a lower pick is in the deal.

its more like a playoff team 1st+ secondary prospect+ contract/some salary to make it close to cap neutral

When St Louis trade Tarasenko to the Rangers a third team couldnt get involved because the ask was too much to take on the higher salary.

a $1M salary traded at the dealine with around 25% of season left means the player is owed $250,000 so a 25% third team is $62,500.

Players last year like Tarasenko and Monahan were close to $6M is actual salary so the cost to a third team would have been $300,000 which likely costs a 3rd+ or a 2nd for a pass through retention which then affects the original teams return.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Tampa's fine. They aren't selling this year

 

[canuckslover10]

Tampa's fine. They aren't selling this year

IMO they would be fine this year but trading Stamkos IMO would be the best move long term.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

IMO they would be fine this year but trading Stamkos IMO would be the best move long term.

They won't and he won't waive. Trading Stamkos indicates you are giving up, it's a bad omen to send the team. They just got Vasey back and it takes time to get back into his elite style of play. Tampa will make the playoffs again and probably be buyers too

 

[canuckslover10]

They won't and he won't waive. Trading Stamkos indicates you are giving up, it's a bad omen to send the team. They just got Vasey back and it takes time to get back into his elite style of play. Tampa will make the playoffs again and probably be buyers too

Who cares what it indicates in order for them to be successful long term they need to get more depth and get younger, being buyers this year would be foolish, if they are just a little patient they can set themselves up well for the next 5 years especially considering everyones age. Besides Hedman everyone in their core is 30 and younger. Also if Stamkos knows that they won't re-sign him then maybe he will waive to go to a team that he would go to in Ufa to get ahead of schedule.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Who cares what it indicates in order for them to be successful long term they need to get more depth and get younger, being buyers this year would be foolish, if they are just a little patient they can set themselves up well for the next 5 years especially considering everyones age. Besides Hedman everyone in their core is 30 and younger. Also if Stamkos knows that they won't re-sign him then maybe he will waive to go to a team that he would go to in Ufa to get ahead of schedule.

They probably are going to re-sign him though and you are exaggerating on their depth quite a bit. They have a strong top 6 and good center depth. Maybe Cirelli makes 1M too much but whatever the cap is going up.

 

[TGWL]

They're not making any big chances unless they miss the playoffs.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

If he actually becomes available I’d want the Avs to be all over that deal. Their chances would go up significantly with a true 2C

 

[DavidBL]

I'd love to see Stamkos in Anaheim though I'd imagine they wait until UFA.

 

[kilowatt]

I would love Stamkos on the Kings, not sure how the money would work out but I'd be willing to move some pieces. That might shift either Dubois or Stamkos to the wing but it would make the Kings really serious contenders. Fiala feeding Stamkos could be deadly.

Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - Stamkos - Laferriere
Dubois - Danault - Moore
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Kaliyev

That's a heck of a forward group. Adding a right-handed shot to the power play with Kempe could be a game changer as well.

PP1: Fiala, Kopitar, Stamkos, Kempe, and Doughty
PP2: Dubois, Byfield, Kaliyev, Moore, and Spence

I'd guess it'd start with a first and add a prospect or two for Stamkos at 50% retention? He's UFA, so if they're selling then eating that salary this year won't matter much.

 

[canuckslover10]

They probably are going to re-sign him though and you are exaggerating on their depth quite a bit. They have a strong top 6 and good center depth. Maybe Cirelli makes 1M too much but whatever the cap is going up.

imo adding a top 4 dman would be a lot more beneficial than re-signing Stamkos unless Stamkos is willing to take a discount or reduced term which I doubt he's willing to do. You could either get players on elc contracts or cheap contracts upfront, or sign cheap ufas which can definitely be possible considering the tax breaks for Tampa. Every salary cap dynasty has done this where they stay loyal to their aging star players and it ends up costing them and shortens their cup window.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

imo adding a top 4 dman would be a lot more beneficial than re-signing Stamkos unless Stamkos is willing to take a discount or reduced term which I doubt he's willing to do. You could either get players on elc contracts or cheap contracts upfront, or sign cheap ufas which can definitely be possible considering the tax breaks for Tampa. Every salary cap dynasty has done this where they stay loyal to their aging star players and it ends up costing them and shortens their cup window.

They're projected to have 12.4M in cap space for next season with 16 players under contract. Give Stamkos 6.5M like Giroux and that's 5.9M cap space with 17 players. Personally I'm happy with Perbix but I can understand the desire to push him down the depth chart.

Also I disagree on that last statement. San Jose didn't stay loyal to Pavelski and it cost them substantially. Boston stayed loyal their stars too.

 

[AirGut]

Looks like Rags all over Stamkos…

god I wish, he's well out of the budget range for Drury right now though so I can't see how it would actually ever work. I'd give up a lot to see him in NYR blue on this Laviolette team with the potential for him maybe staying another year or two on the cheap.