HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Captain Mountain]

And how realistic is it for us our core players to all play well but for our record to take a nose dive? You think that's not a pipe dream?

Montreal has something like 3 wins in their last 14 games with the top players playing well. And Montreal just lost Roy who may have been Montreal 4th best forward.

Only SJ and Chicago have fewer regulation wins. Only SJ, Chicago and Anahiem have a worse goal differential.

Odds remain that Columbus will finish with a worse record than Montreal, but if the question is what are the odds that status quo remains, I'd think pretty good.

 

[CDN24]

When does Ottawa start winning?!?!

The 5 years of unparalleled success has been delayed a bit. expect them to start winning in 2029-30

 

[overlords]

When does Ottawa start winning?!?!

Taxpayers are literally dying to know

 

[Heffyhoof]

Note shootout losses and 3 on 3 losses mean we tied the actual hockey game and lost the gimmick.

We actually have 10 wins in the gimmicks (shootout and OT). This is more than the teams below us, who have between 3 and 6. Before the shootout and 3 on 3 gimmicks, when those would have been ties, we'd be even lower in the standings. We'd be below Columbus and 7 points ahead of Anaheim, instead of 11 points ahead.

Our record if you take away shootout and 3 on 3 wins and make them ties would be 15 - 32 - 22, not 25 - 32 - 12.

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

 

[River Meadow]

Taxpayers are literally dying to know

MuH ReBaTEs

 

[Sorinth]

Montreal has something like 3 wins in their last 14 games with the top players playing well. And Montreal just lost Roy who may have been Montreal 4th best forward.

Only SJ and Chicago have fewer regulation wins. Only SJ, Chicago and Anahiem have a worse goal differential.

Odds remain that Columbus will finish with a worse record than Montreal, but if the question is what are the odds that status quo remains, I'd think pretty good.

And 4 OTL giving us 10 points in those 14 games, if we get another 10 points to finish the season then it's unlikely we drop to 4th or even 5th spot. The status quo is by far the most likely outcome.

 

[CHarlie]

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

Welcome to the world we live in.

 

[26Mats]

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

It's simple: the league introduced the shootout to have games not end in ties, to make the game more excited. Then they introduced 3 on 3 to have less games go to the shootouts, because although the shootouts generate fan excitement, they are less like real 5 on 5 hockey than 3 on 3.

But 3 on 3 is still not 5 on 5 hockey. So, to balance giving fans an exciting experience/not having ties, with rewarding teams who are good at 5 on 5 hockey, you get 2 points for regulation wins, 1 point for 5 on 5 ries, and then an extra point if you win the gimmick.

At the end of the day you're entitled to your opinion. I like the balance. I don't want shoutouts and 3 on 3 to count more than 5 on 5, which is what happens if you take away the point for tying the 5 on 5 game. I could see those that want to give 3 points for a regulation win, 1 for a tie, and 2 points for a tie plus a gimmick win.

Bit sure how how don't get this or chose to ignore it in your belligerent post.

 

[Chili]

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

The object is to keep the standings close, therefore theoretically more butts in the seats down the stretch. Don't know if an analysis has been done but seems like not many teams who are out of a playoff spot around January 1st go on to make the playoffs.

The three point win would seem like an incentive to make a run for some teams well back early in the season. Pretty tough currently to make up much ground later on.

Edit: The three point win also makes every tie game late more interesting.

 

[salbutera]

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

Simple - enables league wide parity, having large number of teams out of it by New Years is bad for business

A large number of 3-pts games allows more teams to stay in the hunt for a playoff spot and maintain fan interest

 

[Heffyhoof]

It's simple: the league introduced the shootout to have games not end in ties, to make the game more excited. Then they introduced 3 on 3 to have less games go to the shootouts, because although the shootouts generate fan excitement, they are less like real 5 on 5 hockey than 3 on 3.

But 3 on 3 is still not 5 on 5 hockey. So, to balance giving fans an exciting experience/not having ties, with rewarding teams who are good at 5 on 5 hockey, you get 2 points for regulation wins, 1 point for 5 on 5 ries, and then an extra point if you win the gimmick.

At the end of the day you're entitled to your opinion. I like the balance. I don't want shoutouts and 3 on 3 to count more than 5 on 5, which is what happens if you take away the point for tying the 5 on 5 game. I could see those that want to give 3 points for a regulation win, 1 for a tie, and 2 points for a tie plus a gimmick win.

Bit sure how how don't get this or chose to ignore it in your belligerent post.

I was using your point as a springboard. In my second sentence I even said I understood, just didn't buy into it, so save your condescending attitude.

 

[26Mats]

I was using your point as a springboard. In my second sentence I even said I understood, just didn't buy into it, so save your condescending attitude.

I'm not the one calling people idiots.

I would be more interested to see how much parity there was if the gimmick points were removed - if every shootout and 3 on 3 win were considered as ties, just like shootout and 3 on 3 losses. Would be an interesting exercise to see how parity is affected. I think parity is mainly due to the salary cap. But I'd be interested to see whether the gimmick points also affect it.

 

[Chili]

The evolution of NHL regular season overtime:
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In 1921-22 it was limited to 20 minutes.
In 1927-28 it was reduced to 10 minutes
In 1942-43 it was removed during the season because of train restrictions (wartime)
In 1983-84 was reinstated-5 minute max
In 1999-2000 4 on 4 ot introduced and the ever popular loser point
In 2005-06 shootout added after 5 minutes of ot.
In 2015-16 3 on 3 ot introduced

Interesting that it did take 40 years to bring back regular season ot but it wasn't until the 1960's that teams started travelling by plane. Hard to imagine games without it now, personally though I didn't have much of a problem with ties.

 

[Milhouse40]

I will never understand how or why the loser point was introduced. Don't get me wrong, I get the BS reasoning, I just don't buy it. The fact that a professional sports league allows some games to be worth 3 points and others to only be worth two is buffoonery, plain and simple. It's out and out tampering with the standings to induce fake parity for idiots. Worst of all I actually see fans talk about how close the league is as if it's a good thing.

Well technically speaking they never introduced the loser point.....they introduced a winner point.

Before that, a tie was a tie. 1 point each team.
It's still like this...

They added a gimmick to make sure there's a winner and give up another point for the ones winning that gimmick.

 

[Chili]

Well technically speaking they never introduced the loser point.....they introduced a winner point.

Before that, a tie was a tie. 1 point each team.
It's still like this...

They added a gimmick to make sure there's a winner and give up another point for the ones winning that gimmick.

Prior to 1999-2000, all games were worth two points. Teams that lost in ot got zero points, the point for the team losing was added in for that season.

The logic for playing for the extra point now makes sense, the way it was added at the time though benefitted the team losing in ot only.

 

[Rozz]

alright, it's time to agonizingly cheer on the impossible task of Columbus beating Colorado.... wooo!!!

then the big one... Arizona vs Seattle!
Seattle on a 6 game losing streak ... so this is a winnable game for the Coyotes... but they will most likely rip my heart out and stomp on it to the tune of a massive blow out... ugh.. f***ing Arizona...

ok, I'm ready for the pain.... let's do this!

 

[Rozz]

Columbus goalie was keeping them in it at 1-1 ... and on less than a few mins later it's now 3-1.

oh well, was already written in the stars lol

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Envoyer mes maudit Coyotes mangez les tout rond

 

[Rozz]

f***.. called back coyotes tying goal... ugh...

is an Arizona win really too much to ask?!

 

[windycity]

My god do I hate the Sens and Blue Jackets. Win a f**king game already. And eff you Yotes as well

 

[HabsCowboysOwn]

Still 13 games left and Arizona/Ottawa are only 1 and 2 points behind but somehow, it still feels like I'd have better odds to win the lottery than seeing the Habs drop to 5.

So tired of these useless poverty franchises ruining the league, I really hope I'll get to see them both fold and disappear forever in my lifetime.

 

[Rozz]

Still 13 games left and Arizona/Ottawa are only 1 and 2 points behind but somehow, it still feels like I'd have better odds to win the lottery than seeing the Habs drop to 5.

So tired of these useless poverty franchises ruining the league, I really hope I'll get to see them both fold and disappear forever in my lifetime.

I feel like half of the players on all three of these teams were battling with are actively trying to tank

omfg... they actually tied it!

 

[Rozz]

Holy shit.. Arizona gets to overtime!!!

perfect game is zona winning in ot..

..for the love of all that is holy & hockey... please, make it so...

 

[windycity]

Ok Yotes, get the 2nd pt you f**king losers

 

[Rozz]

HOLY f***!